Wild Card

Gentlemen, Something that comes under the topic of this thread that we have not seen yet is the series of medals which were awarded by the kingdom of Württemberg for specific events during this period. They are: Victory at Brienne, 1 Febr. 1814 Victory at La Fere Champenoise, 25 März 1814 Victory at Paris, 30 März 1814 They were awarded in both gold and silver grades; and while the La Fere Champenoise and Paris medals measure 30 mm, the Brienne medals are 36.5 mm. Shown below is an example of the silver Brienne medal.

Hello Kees, You are welcome to use 18, 19, 20 and 38. Best wishes, Wild Card

Check the OMSA Medal Database

From the 1915 Braunschweig H u. S

Unique suspension. Nice, really nice. :jumping:

Hi Tim Tezer, Thank you for your answers to my questions - very helpful indeed. I too was surprised by the total absence of response, especially when considering all of the debate that has taken place over the years regarding originals and fakes. Interestingly, after posting it here and letting five days pass without any action, I posted it on another forum where it actually generated quite a bit of interest and discussion. Go figure. Anyway, the general consensus pretty much confirms your answers; which to me raises another question. If - 1. An actual piece, as in the case of an Iron Cross was not awarded and, 2. The recipient received some sort of document which authorized them to to obtain their own piece. Does this not open the position that “original” pieces could, or could have, come from Godet, Wagner or Wiederholungsspangen ‘R Us? Just wondering. Thanks again Tim Tezer, Wild Card

You raise a good point Rick. I also put a great value on the reason for the award and the person who received it - probably too much value at times. In posing the question, I should have pointed out that “reason” and “person” should not be influencing factors. I think that in the vast majority of cases, the “reason” for virtually any 1940 - 1943 Red Banner will outweigh that of most 1945 awards. Don’t you agree?

Gentlemen, I would like to pose a question regarding a situation which comes along from time to time. Occasionally, we come across decorations which, because of their number and type, are obvious and legitimate replacement pieces. Mainly because of the suspension to screwback, screwback to suspension changes, it seems that this is most commonly found among the Lenin. Red Banner and Patriotic War Orders. My question is, how does one go about placing a value on such pieces? Let’s take a hypothetical example. A type 3 (suspension) Red Banner has a serial number of 21,000. This number should be on a type 2 (screwback). Now, if a type 2 (screwback) with this number has a value of, let’s say, $1,500 and a properly numbered type 3 (suspension) is worth $500, what would you say the value of the type 3 (suspension) with this number should be? I don’t know of any formula or specific answer, but I think that some of you might have some very interesting theories and opinions. Have fun with this one, I look forward to hearing from you on it. Regards, Wild Card

Gentlemen, A detail which might be worth posting - the label which is on the inside of the case lid. Thank you all for your interest and kind comments. Best wishes, Wild Card

Close up of the catch.

Reverse.

Hi Beau, Does this look familiar? I bought this one from Tony.

and his medal bar.

Gentlemen, Ribbon bar to Hermann A. K. F. Krause, Reserve Inf. Rgt. Nr. 55...

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Hey there CRBeery, you have a good set of eyes and shame on me for not checking this out further. Let’s take a look at Hessenthal/Schreiber. Simply put, the ribbon for the NC EK is 30 mm wide and the black stripes are 5 mm. The ribbon for the KVM is 26 mm wide and the black stripes are 4 mm. So, there you are. Best wishes, Wild Card

Agreed, yes we do. I was just pointing out that it appeared that the EKE ribbon appears to be, as I said, “crunched” together; which causes it to show less lateral surface. What I did not mention is that, being to the left, the EKE ribbon is dominant, and as such, I would expect that if they are meant to be purposely unequal, the EKE ribbon would be the wider of the two. If the EKE ribbon was equal in width with the LSD ribbon, I think that there would still be plenty of overlap with an EKE mounted instead of the KvM.

Gentlemen, Over the years I have seen seemingly endless discussions about genuine and fake 1870 Iron Cross Wiederholungsspange or “repeater bars”. Rather than get into all of that again, I would like to pose a few questions regarding them - 1. How were they awarded? Would it have been a situation similar to the awarding/receiving of an Iron Cross where an actual piece was presented? 2. If so, where did these pieces come from? 3. Or... did the recipient receive some sort of document which authorized them to obtain their own piece? 4. Has anyone ever seen any documents related to the awarding of these bars? Any information will be appreciated, Wild Card

I considered the same possibility, but I do not think that this would have been the case. Keep in mind that the KvM is only 25 mm across while an EK would be around 42 mm. An EK mounted on this bar with the suspension hooks positioned as they are would considerably overlap the LSM. Now notice how the NC ribbon, compared to the LSM ribbon is rather crunched together. If it was the same distance across, the hooks would be further apart, thus better accommodating a larger decoration such as an EK. Just an opinion. Regards, Wild Card

Yes! Thank you for this thread. Until seeing this, I never had a real understanding or appreciation of the Saxon Honor Cross with Swords. I certainly do now. Best wishes, Wild Card

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Gentlemen, Admittedly, I am not an expert on this order; but there is one minor point here that I would like to mention. It strikes me that the crown on the piece in post #1 looks very, for lack of a better word, “Bavarian”; whereas the crown on the pieces in posts #6 and 8 look to be what I expect on a Mecklenburg badge. I will try to explain. A Bavarian crown arches slightly upwards along the top line. The Mecklenburg crown should be flat or even slightly depressed (“u” shaped) along the top line. This may be attributable to jeweler's styles or any number of other things - I could be completely wrong. Does anyone else have any opinions on this point? Regards, Wild Card

And they come in all sizes.

:jumping: Super! My kind of bar. Congratulations! :cheers:

These pieces are described as being 1st class pieces; and such pieces are legitimately recognized (OEK #1745/1 and #1745/2). I would also point out that they are further described as being post 1918 jewelers copies. Kudos to Herr Zeige for his honesty on this point.