Komtur

This medal belongs to the Princely Houseorder of Hohenzollern, not to the Royal (Prussian) Houseorder of Hohenzollern. The change of the reverse date on these medals seems to be unclear. The right date of the creation of the princely order was "5. December 1841". When some changes occured in the classes of the Princely Houseorder in 1852 (at the same time the Royal Houseorder was founded), the medals (silver and gold) were established. These had the right date "5. December 1841". From a time, not be known in detail, a new embossing tool was made with the wrong date "1. Januar 1842". How this could happend, is told in detail in Link/Gauggel "Fürstlich Hohenzollernsche Orden und Ehrenzeichen". It is to difficult to me to translate, so I can only show it in German here. Regards, Komtur.

Even if I am unfortunately not able to help you with your questions, I would like to congratulate to that outstanding complete and fine preserved group! Best regards, Komtur.

The wurttemberg mint Königliches Münzamt Stuttgart made 1892 - 1920 3.962 medals. Regards, Komtur.

Must be after 1898, when these medals where founded and before 1916 (1918), when the advertisements seen on the attached pictures were made. The graphical advertisement (left) is from 1918 and the photograph (right) is from 1916. Regards, Komtur.

Here you are:

So am I Regards and Txs, Komtur.

Another one:

So this one could be a favorite for you Regards, Komtur.

Kohlhauer Unfortunately no decorations on the bar to check the name. What a nice combination! Kind regards, Komtur.

Genau so würde ich es auch übersetzen Grüße, Komtur.

May be on the motorway from deep south (e.g. Kirchheim unter Teck ) back home??? What a nightmare Regards, Komtur.

I can imagine, that all these reasons are possible - but here is another one:

Many thanks for that help! In between I got the translation. I was not aware, that this old osmanian writing is so difficult to read. It means His Highness Prince Heinrich. It is the medal for the Grandadmiral and brother of the Kaiser. Regards, Komtur.

I need some help in translating the engraving of a Imtiaz medal in silver. To be true, a name was told to me, but I am not able to confirm this name without your assistance Txs in advance! Regards, Komtur.

Ah, now it is possible to compare them directly:

Yup. But not only that, the details of the crown are obviously different too. But how can I know, wich one is the good one? Because I have seen the minting tools in the Berliner Münze and compared them with the cross.

An original cross should look in that way:

Very nice tuxedo bar (Frackspange). Probably a kind of offical (Beamter). Regards, Komtur.

Yup, I agree Kind regards, Komtur.

The first one seems to be a knight class of the Bavarien St. Michael, the 4th and the 5th are bavarian too: long service and 1866 cross. Additionaly IMO the metal edges on the left and right of this bar is typical bavarian style. Regards, Komtur.

To be true: it never was ON the table . I thought I showed this bar to you after buying it Kind regards, Komtur.

That one is quite cute I´ve got only a few, for instance that typical bavarien one. To wear with or without medals, unfortunately I purchased it without. Even if the ribbons are glued, it looks origin. Regards, Komtur.

At Gunzenhausen I got this prussian tuxedo bar with the nice alien at the end. Regards, Komtur.

Impressive, thanks for sharing. Regards, Komtur.

As Sascha said before, any kind of medical officer (Sanitätsoffizier), who did service outside of Germany is for this ribbon bar impossible, because of the EK on white ribbon. Most of the nonkombattant EK we find on ribbon bars/order bars belongs to "officials" (Beamte). There were military officials and civil officials. Because of the same reason, as described for the medical officers, most of the military officials got the EK on the black ribbon. In the same way the Red Cross Medal and the Verdienstkreuz für Kriegshilfsdienst were given for any kind of "home service" and not only for special medical service. Therefore the combination of 1914 EK2 on white ribbon with these both decoration often belongs to civil officials, who did service in Germany for instance in ministries or administration. These rules are only for EK2 1914, in 1870 it was different. Regards, Komtur.