Paul R

More Uniforms Here is a LW Tuchrock for a Sani private, which was soon replaced by the Waffenrock. Notice the lack of blue piping. I have seen this as a common omission on other specimens I have come across. There is no evidence that it was ever present.

Uniforms An enlisted to officer conversion of the Fliegerbluse. This tunic is to a major.

Luftwaffe Medical Corps The Medical Branch of the Luftwaffe was one of the original career fields present when the Luftwaffe came out into the open on March 01, 1935. The standard waffenfarbe for the Luftwaffe Medical branch was cornflower blue. When attached to the Hermann Goering Division and the Luftwaffe Field Division, the solid blue collar tabs and shoulder boards were to be retained, by order(although as most rules, this one seemed to have been broken from time to time). These men and officers filled roles ranging from direct patient care in the field to research and development of medications and procedures to drafting health awareness cartoons. Dentists were also included in the medical corps. Ranking nomenclature: Enlisted: Sanitatssoldat- soldat Sanitatsobersoldat- Oberschutz Sanitatsgrefeiter- Grefeiter Sanitatsobergrefeiter- Obergrefeiter Sanitatsunteroffizier- Unteroffizier Sanitatsunterfeldwebel- Unterfeldwebel Sanitatsfeldwebel- Feldwebel Sanitatsoberfeldwebel- Oberfeldwebel Sanitatsstabsfeldwebel- Stabsfeldwebel Officer: Assistenzarzt- Leutnant Oberarzt- Oberleutnant Stabsarzt- Hauptmann Oberstabsarzt- Major Oberfeldarzt- Oberstleutnant Oberstarzt- Oberst Generalarzt- Generalmajor Generalstabsarzt- Generalleutnant Generaloberstabsarzt- Generaloberst/Head of Medical Services The Luftwaffe used trained Officials for medical ancillary services. The specialties can be recognized by the nebenfarbe on the shoulder boards. Apple Green- Pharmacists Orange- School Special Service, Librarian Service, Pharmacist(post 1940), Psychologist Service, Veterinary Service, Luftwaffe War Science Section. More information can be seen about the Luftwaffe Administrative Officials here: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=18055

I have long been interested in the role of this obscure formation. It is my understanding that they were niether considered to be military nor police. Any clarification on their exact role will be greatly appreciated. The Wasserwirtschaft uniform is the light blue one on the Right. I am sorry for the crappy photo, but it is what I have. If you all want more detailed photos, please let me know. Now lets see what you have!

Still, a rare set! I have yet to add a bar to my collection!

Those are some great examples!! Thank you for sharing them. Lets see the others!

Hi Hardy, I thought that these men were trained to do both. Again, I dont know for sure... just speculation on my part. Regards paul

Very interesting!! This is a first for me!! What were they for? I have not seen white laces before!

You know... I think that you are right... I am not completely sure though! Are bautruppen and pioneers the same? Great stuff, guys!! Thank you! Any data or militaria related to Luftwaffe Black waffenfarbed formations will be greatly appreciated. This could include: period photos, insignia, uniforms, documents.

This image is kindly donated by Leigh Kitchen! Thank you very much! Shown here are: Shoulder board for an Oberstleutnant. Overcoat Flak Uffz of Regiment General Goering(overcoat tabs were abolished before HG became a division)- seems that you have the other half of my tab! ;-) A nice Leutnant HG tab

Cuff Titles: 22Dec1933- Dark green cuff title for "LPG General Goering" was mandated to commemorate the designation of "Landespolizeigruppe General Goering". The cuff title was worn above the left cuff. There were three types: a. Officer- wire embroidery of "LPG General Goering" with a silver border above and below edges of the cuff title. b. NCO- Same as officer, except the embroidery is from white thread c. EM- Same as NCO without the boarder strips. 23Mar1936- Dark Blue cuff title with "General Goering" was mandated with the unit's integration into the Luftwaffe. The cuff title was worn 1 cm above the right cuff of the service tunic and 16cm above the cuffless uniforms a. Officer- wire embroidery of "General Goering" with a silver border above and below edges of the cuff title. b. NCO- Same as officer, except the embroidery is from matte gray thread c. EM- Same as NCO without the boarder strips. 22May1942- Dark Blue cuff title with "Hermann Goering" was mandated upon the unit reaching a Division size and designation. The cuff title was worn 1 cm above the right cuff of the service tunic and 16cm above the cuffless uniforms a. Officer- wire embroidery of "Hermann Goering" with a silver border above and below edges of the cuff title. b. NCO- Same as officer, except the embroidery is from matte gray thread. c. EM- Same as NCO without the boarder strips. Initially, the lettering was done in Gothic script. This practice was quickly discontinued in favor of the blocked type lettering. There were some unexpected cuff titles that were allowed to be worn by some members of the HG. a. Grossdeutchland- Some members of the Furhrer Begleit Battalion were authorized to wear the black cuff title with white Sutterlin Script. b. Fuhrerhauptquartier- Flak soldiers assigned to the Fuhrerhauptquartier and the Fuhrer's train were authorized to wear this black title with white script. The above mentioned "appointed" position titles, when worn, were positioned above the left cuff. Members assigned to the motorized escort of the Fuhrerhauptquartier wore the cuff title "General Goering" and from 1942 onwards, "Hermann Goering". There were other cuff titles awarded for campaign service: Afrika- Hermann Goering authorized that all members of the Luftwaffe stationed in Africa were to wear the dark blue cuff title with the block letters, "AFRIKA". The title was authorized for wear on the tunic until the entire unit was rotated out of the African theater. a. Officers- Embroidery done with wire thread b. Enlisted- Embroidery done with matte gray thread. Kreta- Awarded to all members who contributed with the conquering of Crete. All branches of service were allowed this award. a. All members- White title with yellow thread with "KRETA" embroidered. AFRIKA(Palm tree)- Authorized by Hitler as permanent award for all members who either had six months of service in theater, were wounded, or received an award of the Iron Cross or higher. This cuff title was light brown in color with white embroidery "AFRIKA" flanked by palm trees. There was also a trim on the upper and lower edges.

Shoulder Boards: Until 23March1936, the standard Police shoulder boards and ranking system was used. 23March1936 From 23March1936 until 02Apr1943, the Hermann Goering units used the traditional Luftwaffe style boards for all rankings. The waffenfarbe regardless of specialty was white. 02Apr1943- Wars end With the abolishment of the piped collar tabs, waffenfarbe would be indicated on the shoulder straps and boards of both officers and enlisted members: Rose pink- Division Staff, Panzer Regiment, PanzerJaeger Regiment White- Grenadier Regiment Rifle Green- Jaeger Regiment Golden Yellow- Panzer Recon Bright Red- Flak, Artillery Golden Brown- Signals Black- Pioneer Light Blue- Supply, Field Police 03Jun1943 Orange- Field Police

Collar Tabs: The regulations on the collar tabs changed quite a bit during the unit's lifetime. Basic unit waffenfarbe: White Enlisted tabs: From 23March 1936 until January of 1943, the following tab pipings were in use. (All have the white basic waffenfarbe with): Red Piping- Flak units Green piping- Other units(discontinued after 04Jan1943) 01October1937 Yellow Piping- Fallschimjager Battalion January 1943, the following EM tab pipings were in use until 02April of 1943: White piping, with narrow dividing line between the piping and tab body- Grenadier and Guard Regiments Pink Piping- Panzer, Recon, and Tank Destroyer Battalion Red Piping- Artillery and Flak units Black piping- Pioneer Golden Brown- Signals Battalion Light Blue- Supply units Also in January 1943, Panzerjagers were to use the green faced tab with pink piping. April 1943, the use of the color piped collar tabs was discontinued. Plain unpiped white tabs were to be worn by all members of the Hermann Goering Division. The waffenfarbe was to be shown on the piping on the shoulder straps. January of 1944, the use of the white collar tabs was abolished from use on the field uniform. The ranking gulls were punched directly through the collar lapel. Shoulder straps still used the waffenfarbe piping as before. Note: All medical and Administrative personnel used the standard tabs alloted for their career field. Officer tabs: From the beginning officers used the white faced tabs with silver piping. Medical Staff, General Staff, and Administrative personnel used their basic branch color. Panzer tabs: Prior to becoming a Division in 1942, the panzer wrappers used the black tabs with white outer piping and the TK. Upon the HG becoming a division, the white LW style tabs were used with a TK being fixed through the tab. In Jan43, regulations dictated that these tabs would have to have the required pink piping, with white piped shoulder boards. Within a few months, the pink piping was to be removed again regulations required the white tab with TK with the waffenfarbe to be work on the shoulder straps(pink). As time passed, it is a common site to see the TK simply being pressed through the lapel of the collar, without using a tab at all. Displayed here are: Hauptmann HG with wrapper Single Reg Hermann Goering Arty overcoat tab for an Uffz Regulation defying HG tab for what is speculated to be for a medic of an armored medevac unit(which did exist). The next single tab is that of a Panzerjaeger.

Uniform: More in depth details on specific insignia will be addressed later. 23February1933: As stated above, the unit was a police formation from 23February1933 until 23September1935. These men wore the standard blue Prussian Police uniform until the green trimmed (Schutzpolizei) uniforms were authorized in Mid July 1933. The cuff title LPG General Goering was fixed to the lower left sleeve. September1935: Upon the unit's transfer to the Luftwaffe in September 1935, the police uniforms were kept in service but with the addition of the Luftwaffe eagle being placed over the right breast pocket of the tunic and on the visor cap. 23March1936: The Regiment was required to change to the Luftwaffe uniform. The official Waffenfarbe was ordered to be white and the cuff title was changed to a blue cloth with "General Goering" embroidered onto it. The EM collar tabs did have a secondary piping, that I will address later. This would be the basic uniform throughout the war, with many changes to the insignia only, which will be addressed individually. Due to the multi specialty nature of this unit, there were many garments which were approved for use. These range from Panzer Wraps, HBT light weight uniforms, camo garments, and many others.

Hermann Goering Division This formation of Elite Luftwaffe land combat troops has a very rich and detailed history. While I will cut to the basics, I would highly recommend the purchase and reading of "Herman Goering: From Regiment to Fallschirmpanzerkorps", by George Petersen and Roger Bender. If you have any interest in this unit, it is a purchase you will never regret. 23Feb1933: The birth of the formation which would soon bear the name of Hermann Goering began as a small Police formation on 23February1933, referred to as Polizeiabteilung z.b.V. It was a relatively small force of only 14 Officers and about 400 men. They were initially tasked with busting up the remaining communist cells within Berlin. 17Jul1933: Polizeiabteilung z.b.V was renamed, "Landespolizeigruppe Wecke z.b.V". It was the first police force of it's kind in Germany. Near mid September 1933, Goering bestowed the unit with it's own standarte. 22Dec1933: Landespolizeigruppe Wecke z.b.V was again renamed. The new unit name was "Landespolizeigruppe General Goering". 01Apr1935: To mark the occasion of a conscription requirement made by Hitler, the unit was again renamed. The new identification was "Regiment General Goering". 01Oct1935: The Regiment General Goering was transferred into the Luftwaffe to become the new Fallschirmjager Corps. Jun1941: The Regiment was upgraded to a Motorized unit, with the it's designation being changed to "Regiment General Goering(mot). 15Jul1942: The Regiment was upgraded and renamed to "Brigade Hermann Goering". Oct1942 The Brigade was again upgraded and retitled "Division Hermann Goering". 21May1943: The Division was restructured as a Panzer unit and renamed "Panzer-Division Hermann Georing" Feb1944: Again, the Division is restructured to include a fallschirmjager arm. The new unit designation was "Fallschirm-Pnazer Division Hermann Goering". 01Oct1944: The Division was upgraded to a Korps and the unit was renamed, "Fallschirm-Panzer Korps Hermann Goering" The men of this unit were considered to be the cream of the crop. This was a truly all volunteer force. Members, upon selection, signed a 12 year contract. They received the best training, supplies, and privileges. Being such an elite unit, there were strict entry requirements: a. A candidate must be between the ages of 18-25 b. No shorter than 5 feet 5 inches in height c. Be a legal German Citizen d. Be of provable Aryan ancestry e. No criminal convictions f. Be Physically fit for active duty and deployment(No spectacles were allowed) g. Eligible for military service h. Unmarried i. Swear to always support and defend the National Socialist Regime The standards changed in 1942 in that the minimum age was lowered to 17. This unit saw action on every front and fought with great distinction.

This is some great stuff!! Can you place a photo of the stamper itself?

What does the QSA look like? Can someone post an example? I agree with the above! Great job in tracking everything down!! When was the photo taken? Paul

Jan, They do not come in any nicer condition than that!! I bet the visor guys will go crazy! Paul

You have a 130 LS buckles? The only ones I have ever seen were on line! I like your buckle very much. It is a nice used piece. A real part of history!

I can only echo Bob's sentiments on this amazing grouping. It is the first fully attributed Helferin grouping I have seen... especially noteworthy is the presence award and documents. A one of a kind grouping these days. A definite keeper

Amazing Francois! The Pilot Observer badge looks very attractive on the Uffz set! The pith is the first I have seen in that pattern! You do have a premium collection! Paul

Beautiful award! For what deeds were they awarded? Any clues to the numbers awarded?

Thankfully, I dont think that I have ever met anyone like this. People like this have a serious lack of self worth.

Here is something... http://cgi.ebay.com/WWII-GERMAN-HORSE-DRAW...1QQcmdZViewItem You are right... 1/72 is impossible to find! Very tiny! You must have nerves of steel to paint those!

Hello, I am working on creating the ultimate online Luftwaffe reference. My goal is to eventually cover every aspect of the Luftwaffe branches and organizations, ranging from the well known Flieger to the obscure Nautiker Korps. Basically the way this works is that I lay the ground work and you add the rest. Additions are whole heartedly welcomed and encouraged within each thread. I am looking for any data or militaria related to the topic of the thread. This could include: period photos, insignia, uniforms, documents, and even first hand accounts from men in these branches. Basically, anything pertinent to the topic! I hope that you enjoy what you see. As you can see, I have a very long way to go. There many pending items that I am working on, daily. There are also many items I do not even have listed... yet. Opening: Pending Regular Luftwaffe: Luftwaffe General Officers: Pending Luftwaffe General Staff: <a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=18186" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=18186</a> Luftwaffe Field Divisions: <a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=17457" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=17457</a> Luftwaffe Truppensonderdienst(TSD): <a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=16844" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=16844</a> Hermann Goering Division: <a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=18342" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=18342</a> Luftwaffe RLM, Pioneer, and members attached to the Luftschutz: <a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=18187" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=18187</a> Luftwaffe Flight Corps: Pending Luftwaffe Flak/Artillery: <a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=18416" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=18416</a> Luftwaffe Signals Corps: <a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=18372" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=18372</a> Luftwaffe Medical Corps: <a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=18357" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=18357</a> Luftwaffe Officers at Service <a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=20425" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=20425</a> Luftwaffe Disciplinary Units<a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=23337&hl=" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=23337&hl=</a> Officials: Luftwaffe Administrative Officials: <a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=18055" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=18055</a> Luftwaffe Wartime Officials and Sonderfuhrer: <a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=17190" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=17190</a> Luftwaffe Corps of Engineers: <a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=16407" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=16407</a> Luftwaffe Music Corps: <a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=17408" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=17408</a> Luftwaffe Navigator Corps: <a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=16453" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=16453</a> Luftwaffe Air Traffic Control Service: <a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=17336" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=17336</a> Luftwaffe Judicial Officials <a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=17433" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=17433</a> Luftwaffe Fire Fighting Officials: <a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=18189" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=18189</a> Luftwaffe Secret Police (GFP): http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=20393 Luftwaffe General Luftzeugmeister "GL" <a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=20501&hl=" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=20501&hl=</a> Auxiliary Formations of the Luftwaffe: RLB: <a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=20352" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=20352</a> SHD/LSW: <a href="http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=20352" target="_blank">http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=20352</a>