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Not any more, thanks for the clarification 👍 Now the remaining question is which one in the photo is Starke. My wild guess is the man on the left since he is wearing both 1st and 2nd class of EK which is according to the database. The man next to him seems wearing a land-flieger badge which is different from Starke's badge. To be confirmed.
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I believe the bar had MVO, Hindy cross, Red Cross medal and service cross missing and restored, you can see the sloppy mounting work on these ones compare to the rest of medals on this bar. Nevertheless an interesting medal bar with Prussian, Bavarian, Wurttemberg and Austrian specimens. Congratulations.
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I understand what you said but we need more and solid prove to conclude BB&Co product is an official award by Ottoman government, this is a big deal. By solid prove I meant some sort of purchase order designated to this company or some government record stating that. Concerning the set from the Prussian general unfortunately we don't know what was in the red envelope when he received it 100 years ago. There're several possibilities including that he might have received a Turkish made star together with this envelope and later purchased the BB&Co... many have done the same I believe especially the foreign ones stationed in Turkey who should have received onsite the official award in red envelope.
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Completely agree. We're not discussing about identification of maker or production period of any particular TWM here, but rather on a very high level how TWMs from different time period should be called knowing that they're not Turkish made award pieces. Very straightforward. We all know the foreigners were indeed awarded for TWMs and majority(if not all) of them were not handed out Turkish made stars, they had to Privately Purchase their own star that was produced and sold by local maker, during and after the war. I haven't seen any proof so far but anyhow if any foreign made TWMs were ordered and handed out by the Turkish or foreign governments, then they should be considered official award TWMs.