Ed_Haynes

While the medal itself may be a legitimate PRC medal (will have to exchavate and consult the books), it has been subjected to the malovelent attentions of the contemporary manufacturers of fake, fantasy, and fraudulent Chinese awards. The suspension and ribbon is garbage. There is so much poison out there (much of it spread through e$cam) that the serious stusy and collecting of PRC medals may be permanently destroyed.

First glance: I am speechless. Why did I not bid? Market saturation??

Not yet, but off to look. Your reactions?

Happy holidays to you and yours too. Assume you'd find them with the familiar European dealers? And authentic ones from Turkish dealers?

I'm sure German jewlers made them in the inter-war years. They'd make anything you needed or wanted, it seems. Unofficial awards for a lapsed State posed no problems.

See: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2765

The naming is, of course, the chief difference: Is it named to a Canadian or whatever. Beyond the styles of naming (especially the WWII presence of absence of naming), the commonwealth-specific WWII medals, the Canadian WWII silver medals, and the South African WWI Victory Medal, I'm not sure what differences you are asking about. I could go on (and on) about Indian (and Pakistani) patterns, but that wasn't part of your question.

Yes, that previous scan is more that a little bit misleading. Unfortiunately, I have no UK-made specimens (as they weren't awarded to Indians) for comparison purposes. Most of the good (BB&M) and even not-so-good (MYB) reference books show good images.

Unfortunately, the November 2008 San Georgio auction Sukhbaatar had neither the attachment style nor the number listed (I think, I cannot read Italian, and I think this hurt the sale), but it went at EUR 1700 (around $2129) -- plus fees.

An interesting assertion. What evidence do you have? Or is this just the sort of thing that "some experts and trade mens" (???) say?

For this sort of result I can warble like anyone, even the late lamented Madeline. Rarely am I speechless. Thanks!!

Knowing what medal it is would help us go beyiond Chris' excellent introduction.

I know where it lives. http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=4129&st=70

Sorry, Rick . . . which bar? The one in post #1??

The recent San Giorgio auction had some intersting Mongolian lots. See: http://www.sangiorgioaste.com/eng-site/auc...egoria=MONGOLIA And most of these lots went unsold. Sold: 1078 - Hero of Mongolia - EUR 14000 (around $17528) 1079 - Hero of Labor - EUR 3500 (around $4382) 1080 - Order of Sukhbaatar - EUR 1700 (around $2129) 1081 - A nice three Red Banner of Military Valor documented group - EUR 2000 (around $2504) 1103 - Medal 'Friendship' (B A44) EUR 70 (around $88) 1104 - Honorary Chekist (B D03) - EUR 800 (around $1002) All prices exclusive of fees. While catalogue details are sparse, these may be some interesting results?

I am not quite sure what your point is here. That, somehow, we show respect the recipients by NOT selling and buying their awards? Seems a strange postition to me.

Results are up and an AMAZING number of lots went unsold.

A memorial medal for Queen Victoria, obviously. I'm pretty sure it came from the Army Temperance Association, but right now I have mislaid that very nice booklet done through the OMRS on these confusing temperance awards. Let me look.

Interesting. And sad. Since not everyopne frequents that site, could you add some details, please?

Thanks, JC. I think that is fairly new, and confirms that all of them are still being awarded. Need to see if the change in requirements for the Mother Heroine are reflected.

Some more ribbon bars: 1- Sinai; 6-Day War / War of Attrition; Yom Kippur War / 1st Lebanon War; 2nd Lebanon War 2- Sinai; War of Attrition / Yom Kippur War; 1st Lebanon War / 2nd Lebanon War 3- Sinai; War of Attrition / Yom Kippur War; 2nd Lebanon War Note (of course) that the rows read right-to-left.

Well said, Daniel. There were more sections than just the German, after all. Really. Hate to break it to you.

Dead on target, Rick (no pun intended), it isn't about value in National Currency Units, but about our ability to feed our habits, getting a phaleristic fix, by having more (and more and more and more and . . .) goodies to research and understand and to which to restore humanity and history. The Economics-Babble merely speaks to supply (limited) and demand (great) not to nastier capitalist stuff. As you know, things have changed: Red Stars aren't sold by the kilo any more.

And it isn't about value (in any National Currency Unit), is it?

But we pay you . . . with adulation.