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Variations are OK in this case. They awarded more then 10.000 of those crosses.

Holly Cow....that medal bar would be the collectors dream !!!!!

Here may be another clue to the identity of the recipient. Obviously he also received the officer cross fo the Phillip order.

Yes

That is it!

The left star was offered in auciton 26, the one on the right in auction 34. Compare the star bodies and you may find that they are the exact same pieces. Somehow the swords changed from the original Saxon swords to some look like Prussian swords. Well, that is just my humble opinion.

You are very close

I used to love those puzzles when I was a little kid. Remember, you were supposed to find the 5 differences. A German auctioneer has just reinvented the game for medal collectors. The original is on the left side as usual: Actually there is only one difference.

The cross is indeed a very good reproduction. Certainly cast from an original. As mentioned before, the comparison has to be perfect, except that the tooling flaws will get worse and worse towards the end of the war as seen in the "T" in "Verdienst". If you look especially at the crown it is evident that your cross is cast from an original. The pebbling on those crown brackets are smaller then on the original and are therefore a clear sign of the normal shrinkage occurring during the casting process. Other signs apply. One has to always make sure that the piece is coined and not cased. Please check my web page at www.medalnet.net and read up on those few signs that will make it easier to determine whether a piece is coined or cased. As I had mentioned before, one has to have this kind of cross in hand to be 100% sure. It looked very good on those initial photos and convinced even me enough to possibly order it with the right to return the piece. You may download pictures of an early MVK in high resolution here: MVK picture I MVK picture II Both files are bigger about 14.5 MB, so make sure your connection can handle it.

...and in any case the second part of those military recipients listed in the 1914 orders roll:

I do appreciate your help very much. I do have the list of recipients from 1914, but had no luck matching them myself. Maybe he was not listed in even that list anymore. Thanks again Andreas

It is interesting that the Saxons allowed their honored citizens to wear multilpe knights badges at once.

Can we get some better pictures? Some real closeups?

...and another one: Bertsch

I almost hate to ask this question on my recent trade...yes some of you have seen the bar before and I admit that it took me some time to commit to this one. But it fits into me Hessen and Red Eagle 3rd class collection... "Just in from Ger..." will say Great Britain You guys are so much faster in identifying....

Thanks for the kind words. For all those that are not a member of OMSA yet....apply online at: OMSA

For those that are not members with OMSA yet, here some additional information and statistic on the Albert Order with Swords on Ring as just published last month in JOMSA, the journal of the Orders and Medals Society of America: Albert Order with Swords on Ring

Zimmermann: as usual hard to read...

I believ it should be said, too, that despite the fact that pieces are selling in auction for very high $ amounts, the payment of those pieces can drag on for month and years after the auction. Some pieces were sold last year and are pooping up at last auction due to some fine new customers not paying for them. So yes, high, but what does really sell in the end? I had something in one of those auctions and had to wait for almost a year for payment. Maybe the German auction houses should do a better job in screeing their clients, but then there is greed....

But did you see the chip on the lower cross arm. Right there on the front? Still a very nice bar, but this best piece being damaged....

Well, I just received the group pictured below and would like to ask for some help identifying the man who did wear it: Lt. Col. W. E. Manhard DSO 5th FLD. CO. C. E. (engraved on the rim of the Colonial Auxiliary foce Long Service medal) All medals are engraved except the DSO itdelf. I was wondering if somebody has something on his bio and reasons for all those medals being awarded to him? Any help is greatly appreciated. Andreas

I believe somebody asked about a double award for the same medal on a combatant and Non-combatant ribbon. no explanation was found. Now it is on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Document-Group-Franco-...1QQcmdZViewItem The same person gets in 1871 the Steel Commemorative Medal on the combatent ribbon, then in 1872 the same medal on the non-combatant ribbon !!! Urkunde f?r den Seconde-Lieutenant Paul Hennige zur Kriegsdenkm?nze von STAHL am COMBATTANTEN-Bande, vom 1.November 1871 Urkunde f?r den Rittergutsbesitzer Paul Hennige zur Kriegsdenkm?nze von STAHL am NICHT-COMBATTANTEN-Bande, vom 18.August 1872

Nothing on this topic? Any help?

This one may not need to be updated, but since we are at it....

Actually now we know why, the photo was taken on May 15, 1907, hence shortly before he could get his hands on the South West Africa medal - founded 1907 as well.