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Hi nickstrenk, No problem. Thanks for your questions. We also had the same system of "Excellent" and "Outstanding" badges. In sports too. The main difference is that the Sports Merit Medal was awarded on governmental level, but the badges mentioned, on ministerial level. "Kiváló" - "Excellent"-" Отличный" "Érdemes" - "Outstanding" - "Заслуженный" 1st type 2nd type 3rd type Regards, cimbineus

Hi, I told you earlier, this is the Sports Merit Medal of the HPR.

In my pictures you can see the different classes of the Flag Order of the Hungarian People's Republic. (In German: Fanenorden der Volksrepublik Ungarn)

Gents, Here are the M1950 Qualificaton Badges in the Hungarian Infantry. Regards, cimbineus

Gents, Some Hungarian Labour Merit Orders and Medals from 1949.

Hi nickstrenk, Thank you for your interest in Hungarian orders, medals and badges. As Gordon said, unfortunately we have lost many of our previous pictures. From now I'll try to post those pictures again, step by step. I think, there is a little confision with the Order of Banner. You mention it, but attached a picture of the Bronze Sports Merit Medal. Here are some examples of the Order of Banner fromm different periods of its existence. (1957-1992) Regards, cimbineus

I have just noticed this sad post. Rest in peace, Mervyn.

Hi Tony, This is a nice Friedrich Rothe piece. I cannot see any obvious problems in these pictures. - - - - - - - - - - - - - Here is a picture with three similar cases but different producers. And one more picture, perhaps a bit artistic composition with two Rothe & Neffe pieces. Regards, cimbineus

Thank you, Gordon. Yes, it was a long time ago (15 years?) when we met last time in Budapest on a Tuesday afternoon in the Club. Here is the cover page of our 2017 A3 size wall calendar. And this is the January page: Regards, cimbineus

Gordon, Let me show you something interesting. This is the April page of our Signum Laudis Forum's wall calendar for 2017. And, here is the picture in a bit bigger size. This Bronze grade was awarded to a Soviet citizen, that is why the award docoment is written in Russian. You can see two types of miniature as well. Regards, cimbineus http://signum-laudis.hu/ https://www.facebook.com/SignumLaudisForum/

No problem, Gordon. Yes, the Order of Hungarian Freedom was instituted to award Hungarian and foreign nationals who actively participated in struggle for freedom, independence and democracy. It could be awarded posthumously as well. It had two grades but there was no specific mentioning of any kind of distinction between them. In practice the majority of the awardees were freedom fighters, partisans, participants of national liberation movements in Hungary or in other countries, i.e. Spain, France, Belgium, Yugoslavia, Slovakia, Soviet Union, etc. Amongst the awardees there were about 70 Soviet military persons of different ranks but basically high commanders, and about two dozens other foreign citizens, and 111 awards were made posthumously. Yes, it was awarded after 1948 too, and in 1957 came the 3rd type of the Order, with the Coat of Arms of '57 on the back side, with already a totally different interpretation of "struggle for freedom", meaning the participation in suppression of the revolution of '56 in Hungary. In 1961 came the 4th type, which already was in three grades and was in the so called "War Awards" series.

Dear Dave, Well, this was the first governmental/presidential order of the Hungarian republic founded on 10th May 1946. The piece in the picture is the first type of the order, the so call "Jesus Christ" type, because the two five-edge stars around Kossuth's head remembers the crown of thorns which was placed on the head of Jesus during the events leading up to the crucifixion of Jesus. The orders were numbered with continuous numeration without any logic or special meaning, not separated ever the two grades. It had a special ribbon, not in accordance with Hungarian traditions. This first type was awarded on five occasions to allover 505 Hungarian and foreign citizens in two grades: silver (~66%) and bronze (~34%). (By administrative mistake nine persons received it twice.) So, the order you showed us is a correct one, but on a wrong ribbon and in a latter case. Later that year, in December 1946, they changed the order and introduced the 2nd type already in better quality but without numbers, and all previous orders of the 1st type should have been replaced by new ones. The ribbon became a traditional triangle-type one. From December 1946 only the 2nd type of the order was awarded. Regards, cimbineus

Dear dond, Thank you for this clue. It is interesting, however, I think it may not be the reason for this seemingly overcomplicated production. My arguments: - The basic part of the wreath and the cross-arms made from one piece. This suggests that they originally also meant to be "war" decorations, since the "peace" crosses have no wreath at all in between the cross-arms. - The number of these double-layered pieces represents the majority in my collection, if not all of "war" Merit Crosses, which suggests me that the reason for this must be somewhere else. One more observation. Some of these additional layers are gold plated, some not, but some even enamelled, just to complicate the picture even more. Here is one more picture, where we can clearly see the added upper layers on the wreaths. Regards, cimbineus

Here are the pictures of the booklet.

Gents, Some time ago I noticed that the wreath between the cross arms consists of two layers. Why? What is the rationale behind? It is obvious that this technique makes the production even more complicated and more costly. So, why then? Sometimes the two layers are soldered so perfectly that it is simply impossible to detect this interesting feature. I would appreciate any ideas or explanations. Here are some examples. Many thanks in advance. Regards cimbineus