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Nice set. The Heer Trap and KM officer embroidered eagle are ones that I haven't seen this type of construction. The rest look great. Thanks for posting. JustinG 2dresq

Not understanding what you are asking in your above post? Are you wanting to know about the this particular unit? That is was a half flottille? How many Halb (Half) flottilles there were there in the Kriegsmarine? Could you please clarify?

Here is the reverse.

Here is my example. The pin fell off. You can see that the reverse has one solid rivit. The other seems to not have it. I am not saying that this is an original. I don't know enough nor I don't believe that there is any that are definate originals. But, here is my example. I think it is a pretty decent production piece, even if it is post war; but who knows. Maybe there will be some info to turn up that can give us a more definative answer to these awards. Thanks for looking. Regards, JustinG

You have gotten quite a nice haul lately. Congratulations. Regards, Justin

Very nice Bob.

Here is my Atlantic star. Regards, JustinG 2dresq

Thanks for the replies so far. Here are some photos of the Air crew.

close up. I don't have this medal grouping yet. By looking at the study here, I believe that this one has all the attributes of a genuine medal. http://www.northeastmedals.co.uk/britishguide/british_index.htm This is a wonderful reference site. Regards, JustinG 2dresq

Greetings, I am curious how much these are fetching these days. I have just purchased a nice Air Crew set for $400 USD. I think I got a deal on it. However, I wanted to get a general response from the members here: What are the campaign stars period issue going for? Atlantic France and Germany Italy Pacific Burma Aircrew Africa Regards, JustinG 2dresq

So, I think I now understand, The Pembroke tallies listed above, there are two with stops/period mark after the ships name. this indicates that it was a pre war piece. So those are the only two of the long list that are pre-war? Am I correct in my assumption? Since the naval unit you listed was in use for the span of the first and second world war, is there a construction difference or different material to help place the tally from the first vs the second world war? Was it only after the second World War that the Royal Navy decided to change their tradition of putting punctuation marks after the named unit? This is fascinating stuff. I am grateful and do wish to learn more. Thanks. Regards, JustinG

I appreciate the in-depth report. So, I am not seeing the stop difference. When I compare the (period) in the H.M.S. I am having a hard time seeing the difference. I am very new to the field of Royal navy items. From your description, Post war to 1960's having a "fat stop" I am assuming that all these tallies that you have shown in the post above are post war and up to the 1960's. Am I correct in my assumption. It is difficult to tell since the resolution on this forum must be reduced. When I look at the tallies: Roebuck, Rooke and Raleigh the threads seem to be at a angle going diagonal for the weave; is this so? I appreciate the details you have posted. It is very informative. It seems like the British had several landmines set for collectors of their naval hat insignia. I look forward to hearing more. Cheers, JustinG 2dresq

HMS Rodney Thanks for looking. The Ajax and Rodney kind of washed out a bit with the scan. They do have a yellow color to them. And as always, any and all comments are welcome. I will post some scans of the reverse tomorrow. Cheers, JustinG 2dresq

double post. Sorry.

HMS AJAX

HMS ARK ROYAL

So here's some of the tallies I received. HMS Exeter Regards, JustinG

This is turning to be exactly what I am wanting. With regard to the "dots", am I correct in my assumption that it refers to the holes left where the stitching goes back and forth within the various letters and punctuation? Quite an interesting study. I have been focused for so long on Kriegsmarine tallies and have now just started venturing out to the Royal Navy. I am expecting the 4 tallies purchased to arrive here some time soon. Posted is an example of what I am assuming I have understood regarding the "dots". This is a WW1 Naval German battery division Thank you for your explanation. Regards, JustinG 2dresq

Thank you for posting. The variations really are quite different. The British seemed to have a much looser standard than other countries. The Sea Cadets and HMS Marlbourough would be considered fake on construction alone if they were German made. The German liner is interesting. I only own 3 German Passenger ship talllies: The KdF W.Gustloff, Cap Arcona, and KdF Robert Ley. Never seen a muetzenband with the double words above and below. Thanks for sharing. So, is there construction standard for HMS warships for the pre WW2 and WW2 era that was followed? The Germans Strictly removed the named muetzenbands when the war started to protect the secrecy and prevent spies from being able to identify what ships were in port, and so, they went to the standard Kriegsmarine labeled muetzenband/tally; did the British do the same thing with the solo H.M.S labeling? I have seen a couple of these around. Thank you for your time. Very interesting stuff. Oh, Here's a reverse shot of the KdF ship. Wilhelm Gustloff which of course, was the worst maritime single loss of life ever.

Could you post reverse stitching of one of your tallies please. Regards, JustinG

I agree. The back construction looked good. However, I was aware. I didn't pay too much. A study of construction would be very helpful though. Here's a close up of the stitching of a German Kriegsmarine tally. The one showing the reverse is Metalfaden thread. the lower obverse is cellon construction. Both are of the Panzerschiff Deutschland

This is very nice. Thanks for sharing. I purchased four tallies: HMS Ark Royal, HMS Rodney, HMS Ajax and HMS Exeter. These are of course all very well known ships. I purchased them from a reputable dealer. When they finally arrive in my hands I will post scans/photos of them. Hopefully, the dealer will continue in my eyes, to be reputable. I am hoping to make a tribute to the Battle of the River Plate. So, I need the Achilles and perhaps the Cumberland tallies as well. :)

Greetings, I am looking at acquiring some Royal Navy tallies. I have studied the German tallies and have made a practice of recognizing a good one of these. However, with the Royal Navy, since several ships have been commissioned with the same name as some WW1 and WW2 names. Is there a method of how to detect if this tally is a period WW2 item or if it is post war? Thanks, JustinG 2dresq

Could you take a shot of the rather large wimple displayed. I have never seen one that large before. Everyone has already said it. This is a magnificent collection. Regards, JustinG

double post. Oops