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WOW, great piece Eric. That is why I love Imperial EKs.

Nice to see you here Kay.

I am sure if you check the size of this cross, you will find that it is almost TR sized. This one matches the 2nd class version I have posted here on a couple of different occasions. I had Detlav take a look at mine and he said he had "no problem with the wide frame" and he thought that it dated to "post 1900". I read this as saying it is a good Jubilee cross. I have seen only 2 others like this posted here or at WAF. This is the first 1st class I have seen. Here is my 2nd class.

Here is mine---

Better pictures would really help but I like the cross. I am not sure about the spange. Even with great pictures I have a tough time telling a good one from a bad one. The spangen were awarded seperately. The cross in ww1 the spange in ww2. However I would bet that a replacement cross and spange could probably be orderd as a private purchase item. I have no proof of this but it would just make sence. I really like these combinations. Here is one of mine-------

Sorry to say it is fake. There have been a rash of fake 1870s showing up on ebay with this lopsided crown.

Very nice !

something different--

some odds and ends--

That's just WRONG

A 16mm mini Ek2 on a Non com Womans bow ribbon.

Here is an old collectors card showing the awarding of the Maidens cross and the Order of Louise.

Here is mine--

Very, Very BAD fake !!!!!!!!!! This style of 1870 can be found on ebay in several different configurations. Usually as a pin back marked Deschler and son. However it can be found with different makers marks. This particular cross jumps out as fake right away because it is a screwback. As far as I know there are NO 1870 Ek1 screwback crosses. Next --If you look at the screwback itself, it is RZM stamped. There are no screwbacks (even in 1939) marked "RZM" Even in pin back form these fakes are easy to spot by the style of the numbers in the 1870 date.

That miniature early style spange is GREAT

Micha, Another wonderfull cross. Congratulations Ekhunter I think there is one known variation. Some of the KMST slide backs have the makers marks stamped into the cross while on others the makers mark and DRGM is raised. Here is a picture of mine with the raised makers mark.

Micha, I like the cross. The details look good and the patina looks right but I am not convinced of the Godet stamp. It is hard to make out from the photo But I have not seen one like it before. When I have seen the Godet stamped directly into the cross and not on the pin, it is in an inset box. Just for the record--the one pictured below is a full sized 1870 but it does illustrate what I am trying to describe.

800 silver stamped-----

The back side---

My latest beauty. A double screw post, large disc Ek1.

I have always thought that "FR" and "Fr" were two different makers.

My understanding was that these are in the same catagory and (aproximate) time as the Jubilee crosses.

Hi Guys, Here is an update on my quest to try to figure out this Ek2. There have been 2 more of these oversized 1870 Ek2s show up in the last year. One from a member over at WAF and also one posted here by Eric "monfort1" just resently. I put together an email To Detlev showing links to this thread and to all of the other threads discussing these particular crosses. His reply to me was that the wideframed 1870 is a good variation made post 1900 and sold as a private purchase item. ( these were NOT 1871-1873 issue pieces ) I thought this might be interesting to some of you. Here is a link that leads to Eric's cross-- http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=4965&hl=

As I mentioned to you over at WAF. I have one of these crosses and am still really unsure about it. I posted mine here last year and this is the responce I got------- http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=4965&hl=1870

Thanks again for all of the help and nice comments.