VtwinVince Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 Gentlemen,Some time ago I mentioned that I was going to recreate the spange of my uncle, Major Dr. Ochs. Here is the result. I know you purists are going to cringe. I'm no Ordensjuwelier, but I think the result is quasi-okay. I used high-density cardboard for the back plate, and sewed the medals directly to it, then used black felt for the backing. Now I just need the swords device for the Austrian KDM and a Luft eagle for the Wehrmacht DA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David M Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Gentlemen,Some time ago I mentioned that I was going to recreate the spange of my uncle, Major Dr. Ochs. Here is the result. I know you purists are going to cringe. I'm no Ordensjuwelier, but I think the result is quasi-okay. I used high-density cardboard for the back plate, and sewed the medals directly to it, then used black felt for the backing. Now I just need the swords device for the Austrian KDM and a Luft eagle for the Wehrmacht DA.Hi Vincenice bar !! what is the last medal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 (edited) The last medal is the Italo-German Campaign Medal awarded by Italy to Germans.Here's the obverse & reverse Doc Edited November 29, 2006 by Riley1965 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 The last medal is the Italo-German Campaign Medal awarded by Italy to Germans.Here's the obverse & reverse Doc... for participation in the North African Campaign(Afrika Korps).I would have thought that the Austrian WW1 Commemorative Medal would have been postioned before the Hungarian Medal... also, I would think that African Campaign medal would be in a higher position than the Comm medals.(unless you were going by a photo of his actual bar).RegardsPaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftmensch Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Very nice job, Vince! Can you share a photo of your uncle wearing that bar? And do you have a display set up for him waiting for the medals?RgdsJohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 ... for participation in the North African Campaign(Afrika Korps).RegardsPaulPaul,Thank You for finishing my sentence!! Much appreciated Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 I would have thought that the Austrian WW1 Commemorative Medal would have been postioned before the Hungarian Medal... If I remember correctly, it was me who told him this - or I told it anyone else who asked the same question, have no idea. We're talking about post1938, when Nazi Germany made Austria a part of Germany, and the imperial Austrian awards were worn like any other war awards of former German kingdoms und grand duchies ... Please, ccorrect me if I'm wrong on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Paul,Thank You for finishing my sentence!! Much appreciated DocI have your back, brother! I know that Vince is recreating a medal bar. I also know that there are tons of original bars that are not in the correct order as well. I am not being critial, yet I am just curious if the medals were placed in the order Vince saw in a photo or ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 The precedence is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 Thanks for the comments, gentlemen. I took the precedence directly from Dave, and I hope I got it right. John, I don't have any photos of him wearing his big spange, only this one of him with the feldspange, summer 1940 as CO of 9. JG 3. In fact, I have very few photos of him from WW 2, and I've been looking for years for what would be for me the Holy Grail, a photo of him with his ME 109. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftmensch Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Great photo! So as a flying officer he's elected to wear a WW1 pilot's and not a commemorative pilot's badge. Did he have a photo album that is also MIA, Vince? Do you have family in Europe with more bits unaware that you lie awake nights dreaming of goblets and crosses? RgdsJohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted November 30, 2006 Author Share Posted November 30, 2006 LOL John, yes, I'm guilty of all of the above. Needless to say, recovering my uncle's "lost goodies" has become an obsession over the years. According to him, much of his ephemera was "liberated" by US forces while he was recuperating from surgery in a field hospital at wars' end. The items that did survive, including his 1918 Ehrenbecher, were hidden by his sister and recovered later. I believe his 1940 Ehrenpokal is in a collection in Germany, but that's another story.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 Vince,I'm not all that well versed in matters "TR", ...but, that caveat being said, I recall reading that "Italian" medals were often removed from ribbon and medal bars in late 1943 and 1944, once Italian t forces withdrew from the war and either surrendered to the Allies or were disarmed and interned by German forces in Italy.The presence of an Italian medal on your uncles's chest/bar suggests 1942 or 1943...and prior to the 1944/1945.Interesting how some medals can come and go....much like Brian's grandfather's Japanese and Russian medals being removed during WWI, but "politically correct" for pre-1914, or post 1919. Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 All Italian medals had to be removed in 1943 as Hitler considered the Italians traitors. Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted December 1, 2006 Author Share Posted December 1, 2006 Good points about the foreign awards, gents, but my uncle's feldspange, that he wore until war's end, still had the offensive Italian ribbon on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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