Adler der Inhaber

[dond]

case top.

[dond]

The bottom.

[Stogieman]

Exactly what the case should look like. Perfect!

[Bob Hunter]

Is the large "S" in post #12 an indication that Friedrich Siebrecht also made the silver merit cross?

[saschaw]

Here's my contribution to this excellent thread.

First of all, two cast FAKES of the eagle, one with "Jubil?umszahl". Ain't they UUUGLY ???

(you could have purchased these little "gems" at C. Zeige, Hamburg)

[saschaw]

Another genuine one, from my father's collection:

[saschaw]

First of all:

Sorry for these "worst ever seen" pictures, it has been sold on Ebay with these.

I did never own this bar, but we CAN see at least the "Adler der Inhaber" is cast crap, the pictures are probably to bad to say anything about the EK II 1870, but the ribbons do not really look old, do they?

[saschaw]

Sold with GOA - by Detlev Niemann, Hamburg

[dond]

I don't see how you can see anything on those crappy pictures. Detlev had it in hand so I assume he had a better look than we can get from those pics.

[saschaw]

I don't see how you can see anything on those crappy pictures. Detlev had it in hand so I assume he had a better look than we can get from those pics.

Dio you refer to all fakes I posted or only to the one on the bar? I have to admit the pictures are really bad, but I've seen the bar (about maybe one to two years) before in one of his friday's updates, of course with a better picture (which Im didn't safe, unfortunally). It WAS one of these cast fakes.

PS:

Would be nice if someone had a better picture of this bar, e.g. the one from DN's update. I know there are people saving pictures a medal bars - I also do so, but I missed this one.

Edited August 27, 2006 by saschaw

[dond]

Just the one from Detlev though to tell you the truth I haven't studied these and have only owned one so my knowledge is limitted.

[Wild Card]

The early examples made by Hossauer are very nice. They are warped and just single sided enameled, yet finely detailed on the reverse.

I seem to remember one of these Hossauer pieces being up for sale (auction?) within the past year or so and it was truly outstanding. Below, we have an unmarked father and son posing in their case.

[Wild Card]

The little red case Rick mentioned.

Hi,

I thought that you might like to see an early Brunswick "pre crown on the lid" case.

Best wishes,

Wild Card

[Wild Card]

Interior.

[saschaw]

Wild Card, your's are again very nice, and genuine

Here's a photograph of a rather old guy (at least for me ) wearing the "Adler der Inhaber". He's been most likely a teacher so he probably had a very hard time and got only this little eagle for it ...

[saschaw]

I love the details in old photographs, don't you?

[Jacky]

Here's a photograph of a rather old guy wearing the "Adler der Inhaber".

Could anyone explain for me why he wears it in the female manner????

Kind regards,

Jacky

[seeheld]

Here is a teacher with the Crown Order 4th class and the Adler der Inhaber.

[Schießplatzmeister]

Could anyone explain for me why he wears it in the female manner????

Kind regards,

Jacky

Dear Jacky:

Excellent observation on your part and a good question. As we can see, men in civillian attire also sometimes wore their awards on "bows". If you notice however, the ribbon ends are squarely finished and not "swallow-tail" cut. This is a slight difference from a bow that a female recipient would wear an award on.

I happen to have an 1813 EKII manufactured in the 1830's-40's which is on an old bow. It was probably worn like the award pictured above with civillian attire. I have also seen photos with Hussar soldiers wearing their "Attilla's" that were wearing EKII's on "bows" (there is no button-hole on an Attilla, only a loop for the toggle button!).

Best regards,

"SPM"

Edited August 30, 2006 by Schie?platzmeister

[Jacky]

Excellent answer!!!!

Thank you very very much for your swift answer,

another thing learned today.

Kind regards,

Jacky

[medalnet]

...just for comparision the higher knight grade of the eagle:

It is extremly thin and hollow made to yet safe even more gold.

[Jacky]

Lovely picture,

Is the one on the right the adler der Inhaber or just the miniature of the knights class???

Kind regards,

Jacky

[Stijn David]

Hello,

Excellent and very informative thread => thank you for sharing those beauty's

@ Jacky: that's the actual mini belonging towards his normal sized brother

Cordial greetings,

[saschaw]

I'm glad I found this ooold thread again ...

The bar shown by me 'Aug 26 2006, 21:52' came now up on a German forum, with better pictures of course. I was right, neither the bar nor the eagle are good, and the owner will take it apart. At least the Iron cross is a very nice one.

Now that's (sometimes) an Expertise's worth ...