Gordon Craig Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 (edited) Here is another Kivalo badge I picked up recently. I have found a couple of translations for KIOSZ on the net. They are:Kisiparosok Orsz?gos Sz?vets?ge (KIOSZ) #1-The National Organization of Crafstmen or #2 The National Association of Small Manufacturers. I think #1 is the most logical. From the figure III on the badge it would seem that there were three different awards in this series.Regards,Gordon Edited April 19, 2007 by Gordon Craig
Zsolt Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 Gordon,The first type was awarded in 1 May 1953, First Sunday in September (Miner's Day) and 1 May 1954.The second type ( see photo) was awarded from June 1954 untill 1977.Zsolt
Gordon Craig Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 Zsolt,Thanks for the info. Very impressive badge you posted. Now I have another on to look for to go with my Miners tunic.Regards,Gordon
Zsolt Posted April 20, 2007 Posted April 20, 2007 The other form from which was awarded from 1954.Zsolt
Zsolt Posted April 20, 2007 Posted April 20, 2007 Gordon,Your badge (from 1953) was in 4 variations ( the form is the same in all but the legends are different). - Kiv?l? B?ny?sz (gilded) - Excellent Miner- B?ny?szat Kiv?l? Dolgoz?ja (gilded) - Excellent Worker of the Mining- ?rdemes B?ny?sz (sivered) - Merited Miner- B?ny?szat ?rdemes Dolgoz?ja ( silvered ) - Merited Worker of the Mining
Gordon Craig Posted April 20, 2007 Posted April 20, 2007 (edited) Zsolt,Thanks for posting this very interesting info. The list of medals to look for keeps growing thanks to your sharing your knowledge.Looking at the last three awards you posted. Post #127 award has the lettering KIV?LŐ BANYSZ and post #129 has the lettering A BANYASZ KIV?LŐ DOLGOZJA. Since you say both these awards were made from June 1954 to 1977 it looks to me as if there may have been four badges during this time frame with the same wording as you list for my 1954 type award. True? Interesting to know that the 1954 to 1977 awards with different wording were also a different design.Cheers,Gordon Edited April 20, 2007 by Gordon Craig
Zsolt Posted April 22, 2007 Posted April 22, 2007 (edited) Zsolt,Thanks for posting this very interesting info. The list of medals to look for keeps growing thanks to your sharing your knowledge.Looking at the last three awards you posted. Post #127 award has the lettering KIV?LŐ BANYSZ and post #129 has the lettering A BANYASZ KIV?LŐ DOLGOZJA. Since you say both these awards were made from June 1954 to 1977 it looks to me as if there may have been four badges during this time frame with the same wording as you list for my 1954 type award. True? Interesting to know that the 1954 to 1977 awards with different wording were also a different design.Cheers,GordonYes, it is true. In 1953 were in the same design, and both in 2 grades. From 1954 in different design, and only in 1 grade. The "Kiv?l? B?ny?sz" badges were awarded for the workers in the production process (mineworkers, works managers, technicians and engineers). For the other workers of the mining industry awarded the "B?ny?szat Kiv?l? Dolgoz?ja" badges. After 1977 was only 1 form of the miner badges.Zsolt Edited April 23, 2007 by Zsolt
Gordon Craig Posted April 22, 2007 Posted April 22, 2007 Zsolt,Thanks for clarifying how many badges there were and who they were awarded to. That halps a lot.Regards,Gordon
Gordon Craig Posted April 22, 2007 Posted April 22, 2007 Zsolt,Thanks for clarifying how many badges there were and who they were awarded to. That helps a lot.Regards,Gordon
hunyadi Posted April 27, 2007 Author Posted April 27, 2007 Picked this one up the other day - "Excelent Light Industry Worker"
Zsolt Posted April 27, 2007 Posted April 27, 2007 (edited) Picked this one up the other day - "Excelent Light Industry Worker"Hi, Charles !This is not "Light industry", but "Excellent worker of the craftmen's cooperative".The box is very interesting. ( I know another type of box for this badges).Zsolt Edited April 27, 2007 by Zsolt
hunyadi Posted April 27, 2007 Author Posted April 27, 2007 Need to take a nap before posting - I was actually looking at another badge (a light industry one) when I wrote that! Yes you are right!The box is very interesting as generally one finds the Hungarian People's Republic Coat of Arms (1949 or 1957 version) or simply without an embossed logo. This was my main purpose for posting. Is this the symbol of the Craftsmans Cooperative? To me it looks like a star at the top of a wreath with some sort of 'banner' at the bottom. In the center it looks like an upraised hand that is holding something (???) - perhaps a hammer?Also - cant find anything about it in any of my referneces.
Zsolt Posted April 28, 2007 Posted April 28, 2007 Need to take a nap before posting - I was actually looking at another badge (a light industry one) when I wrote that! Yes you are right!The box is very interesting as generally one finds the Hungarian People's Republic Coat of Arms (1949 or 1957 version) or simply without an embossed logo. This was my main purpose for posting. Is this the symbol of the Craftsmans Cooperative? To me it looks like a star at the top of a wreath with some sort of 'banner' at the bottom. In the center it looks like an upraised hand that is holding something (???) - perhaps a hammer?Also - cant find anything about it in any of my referneces.Yes, Charles, the hand with hammer was the logo of the craftmen's cooperatives.
hunyadi Posted April 28, 2007 Author Posted April 28, 2007 Zsolt - do you have any information on this badge - date of insitution, what the worker needed to do to get it, penz jutalom?
Zsolt Posted April 28, 2007 Posted April 28, 2007 Hi Charles,Sorry, but I don't know any detailed information from this badge. It was constituted in 1953, and awarded untill 1989 continuoisly. I think it was the 2nd or 3rd form of these badges from the 1960's. A lot of the "Kisipari Szovetkezet Kiv?l? Dolgoz?ja" badges.
hunyadi Posted May 4, 2007 Author Posted May 4, 2007 and the obscure (and apparently rare) continues. 'Excelent Map-Making Worker' badge.
Ulsterman Posted May 4, 2007 Posted May 4, 2007 OK, as someone who got an A level in geography-that is way cool.It must be very rare.
hunyadi Posted May 4, 2007 Author Posted May 4, 2007 (edited) Interestingly enoguh three of them have come up for sale. Some for an outlandish price and another one that would be comparable to a probe to Jupiter. I managed to find this one in the corner of an antique store and I also asked if he had any Partizan badges...'what are those?' was the reply... Zsolt - do you know anythign about these? Edited May 4, 2007 by hunyadi
Zsolt Posted May 4, 2007 Posted May 4, 2007 (edited) Interestingly enoguh three of them have come up for sale. Some for an outlandish price and another one that would be comparable to a probe to Jupiter. I managed to find this one in the corner of an antique store and I also asked if he had any Partizan badges...'what are those?' was the reply... Zsolt - do you know anythign about these?Hi,All I know from this badge: It was founded in 1955 for surway and cartography work, and awarded until the 1980's. The first version was made with hot enamel, and from the 1970's with cold enamel. Zsolt Edited May 5, 2007 by Zsolt
Ulsterman Posted May 7, 2007 Posted May 7, 2007 (edited) Well, I hit the motherlode today with rick, but that's another story for another day...So, in reviewing the JOMSA article on these badges there were 4 major types and eras:type 1: "professional association badges" 1948-52, dates on scrolls (I think of this as the "guild era")type 2: well made Rakosi era (and coat of arms) star badges: three grades (inc. Stavon. badges)type 3: Not so well made badges, use of plastic. Post Rakosi coat of arms, reintroduction of some types of professional association badges and also the "Munka... series badges ...1952-mid 1970s?type 4: Mid 1970s-1991: Use of Munkaeret medal, flat cold enamel badges, soft tonka-toy type red cases or brittle plastic keystone types. continued proliferation of "munka" type badges (possibly because there was no cash bonus with that badge?).Also during all this were the "brigade" badges and the semi official company badges for merit or long service.This could well be a whole book! Any comments?I note that many Hungarians even today note their award of the Kivalo Dolgozo badge on their resumes-and there was an avant garde "white noise" punk/metal band of that name that seems to have attracted all sorts of unusual (and sometimes naked) young goth girls as fans. A google search last week forced me to do some fast explaining to my wife! Edited May 7, 2007 by Ulsterman
Gordon Craig Posted May 7, 2007 Posted May 7, 2007 Ulsterman,There was a book done on these badges but Charles and I ahve been unsuccessful in acquiring a copy. We got to look at one at the National Museum but that is as close as it got.Regards,Gordon
hunyadi Posted May 7, 2007 Author Posted May 7, 2007 My favorite quote now: After showing one of the people I interviewed about the JOMSA article she exclaimed:"Its so interesting that during this time we were all 'excelent workers'. How is it then that communism failed?"
Ulsterman Posted May 7, 2007 Posted May 7, 2007 I expect it was a management problem... No, back in 1990 I spoke to some DDR managers and they said "They pretended to work and we pretended to pay them".But over here the socialist dream lives on in the hearts of (non tax paying) college campuses.
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