François SAEZ Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Probably the most difficult to find as none is known in collections (one original is supposed to come from a downed fight excavation).Technical information is available on volume III of "Uniforms & Traditions of the Luftwaffe" (pages 264 & 265).Please, post as many pics as you can, combined with your questions and remarksFirst pic I will attach is fromOberst M?lders, Werner * 18.03.1913 Gelsenkirchen + 22.11.1941 bei Breslau Ritterkreuz am: 29.05.1940 als: Hauptmann Funktion: Kommandeur III./JG 53 2. Eichenlaub am: 21.09.1940 als Major Kommodore JG 51 2. Schwerter am: 22.06.1941 als Oberstleutnant Kommodore JG 51 1. Brillanten am: 15.07.1941 als Oberstleutnant Kommodore JG 51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
François SAEZ Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 Another view of Werner M?lders with a GW.What make this picture a little "gem" for me:- M?lders with a GW- M?lders with a "moustache" (rare)- A GW with rank insignas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
François SAEZ Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 Oberst Oesau, Walter * 28.06.1913 Farnewinkel, Krs. Dithmarschen + 11.05.1944 bei St. Vith Ritterkreuz am: 20.08.1940 als: Hauptmann Funktion: Staffelkapit?n 7./JG 51 9. Eichenlaub am: 06.02.1941 als Hauptmann Kommandeur III./JG 3 3. Schwerter am: 15.07.1941 als Hauptmann Kommandeur III./JG 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
François SAEZ Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 Still Walter Oesau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jos Le Conté Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 (edited) I think it's very safe to believe that ALL white jackets that were and are offered are fake..Jos. Edited February 21, 2007 by Jos Le Cont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
François SAEZ Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 I think it's very safe to believe that ALL white jackets that were and are offered are fake..Jos.I have to agree Jos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jos Le Conté Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 The fact that, as far as we know , none of these jackets remain is probably because they were very favorite, probably also after war, plus the fact that not every pilot had one etc ..Lately these jackets can be found on Ebay, but ofcourse these are fake and show some issues ...Although the white jacket was a typical Summer item I've seen some Winter pictures where the guys are wearing these.Then I've seen pictures of the jacket having a fur collar !!Now that's remarkable, no ?Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jos Le Conté Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Picture showing how "fragile" these jackets were...Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jos Le Conté Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Showing some badges including the cloth pilotbadge on blue backing ...Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jos Le Conté Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Another example..Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jos Le Conté Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 The guys in Winter ...Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jos Le Conté Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 And the one with " added " fur collar...Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Temple-West Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 A couple of postcard shots showing ?Oesau? wearing a slightly different (I take to be the standard) type than that shown in the previous pictures posted by Francois. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Temple-West Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 As you point out, Jos...A very fragile item as can be seen with the fraying to his left collar in this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jos Le Conté Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 (edited) That's not fraying, John ..., it's just a feature you'll find more often .. , nuff said ..Jos. Edited February 21, 2007 by Jos Le Cont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jos Le Conté Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Here's a shot of the rare all white eagle, very hard to capture from a pic though ...I guess noone has one of these in his collecting ...?Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
François SAEZ Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 ... wearing a slightly different (I take to be the standard) type ...Very valid point John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
François SAEZ Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 And the one with " added " fur collar...Jos.Merci Jos, this is something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
François SAEZ Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 M?ncheberg, Joachim * 31.12.1918 Friedrichshof, Krs. Dramburg + 23.03.1943 s?dwestlich Maknassy/Tunesien Ritterkreuz am: 14.09.1940 als: Oberleutnant Funktion: Staffelkapit?n 7./JG 26 "Schlageter" 12. Eichenlaub am: 07.05.1941 als Oberleutnant Staffelkapit?n 7./JG 26 "Schlageter" 19. Schwerter am: 09.09.1942 als Hauptmann stellv. Kommodore JG 51 "M?lder" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Thanks for sharing these amazing photos. I guess the photo with the pilot wearing the jacket with the ratty collar is an indicator of how much it was liked.Are they really that fragile? What where they made of? It is hard to believe that they the are all gone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jos Le Conté Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Paul, these jackets were made of cotton, in fact just like the blue and tan Summer jackets except for the white having a sloppy collar ...Blue and tan Summer jackets are rare as well, but some did survive and are in collections ..Also,white is a bad color when you were doing this job.., think many turned out to grey after a while..Noone we know has ever seen one ,except for the grounddug example.. Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jos Le Conté Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Here's walter Schuck...,in the pics he seems to have 2 of these jackets ..., lucky fellow..One has a eagle and leather strap for the O2 mask , the other one has no eagle and no strap..You can see that they're turning into a grey-ish color after some time.Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Are photos of the excavated jacket posted anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
François SAEZ Posted February 22, 2007 Author Share Posted February 22, 2007 They will be here very soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Bourque Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Hello all, Im very pleased to be a new member. The Great White, and a Holy Grail to many of us. Here are 4 photos of a GW that was removed from the excavation of a shot down fighter. It is missing the collar and sleeves. It clearly is white and shows some of the inner lining. What is not typical is the breast eagle, blue/gray. I havent as yet found a referance photo showing one as such. Also the wide area of cloth at the base of the front zipper is abit different. I have much higher pixel copies of these if anyone wants. Hard to believe one of these hasnt shown up in the world of collecting. While my memory is hazy I believe I at one time saw a color photo of Oseau showing the GW and it appeared the breast eagle was of a silver officer like thread. That photo was from the occasion of his 100th victory. I look forwards to more Luft flight clothing posts and input from all the Experten on this site. Best, Bill Bourque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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