saschaw Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Someone said "Hessen"?!Hmm, this one might be interresting for Rick, as it's the oldest small form "ribbon bar" I've ever seen: Hessen with Austria, Officer, between 1866 and 1871 - from a time, when real medal bars were not yet the rule ... It's just made of sewn-together ribbons - no needle, no bar in it, just ribbon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 (edited) And the back of the ribbon-ribbon bar ... PS:I forgot to mention the size: it 24x84mm large/small ... Edited April 24, 2007 by saschaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 wow!!!!That Hessen bar is SUPERB!!!If you ever want to trade let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Y Posted April 24, 2007 Author Share Posted April 24, 2007 Does anyone have a Saxon 1866? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Does anyone have a Saxon 1866?Hmm, no - but my father sold one on Ebay some weeks ago, 'course I still have the pictures: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Other side: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Y Posted April 24, 2007 Author Share Posted April 24, 2007 (edited) Other side:Thanks. Wish I'd seen it Edited April 24, 2007 by Tom Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 (edited) Please excuse me for posting a pic of my very favorite possession that I posted about a year or so ago, but it seems a perfect match to this topic.Note the Saxon Silver St. Henry medal (Rothe) and the war medal both of 1866 (fighting with Austria against Prussia).... then the Prussian EK2 and the 1870-1871 war medal (fighting with Prussian against France). This guy must have been quite a fighter ... just point him in the right direction.I plan on being buried with this medal bar in my pocket!! ha ha Rod Edited April 24, 2007 by Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 I plan on being buried with this medal bar in my pocket!! ha ha RodWe'll miss you both ; but I can't blame you -Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wild Card Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Gentlemen,I know that I have posted this before; but considering the theme of this thread, I thought that it would be appropriate to show it again. This is how Gefreiter Ludwig Rauch of the 3rd Inf. Regt. got around buying an 1866 and an 1870-1871 bar.Regards,Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Also, the little brother to Saschaw?s post #30/31 -Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 Infected by this little thread I was bidding on ebay successfully on the following sign of friendship between Saxony and Prussia Now it is arrived: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 (edited) Infected by this little thread I was bidding on ebay successfully on the following sign of friendship between Saxony and Prussia I'm very sorry Komtur, but this one is presumably not older than one m o n t h. It has been sold by a so called "Ebay tailer", which means the medals are fine, but the bar is a modern put together. It was from "hagekna41", wasn't it? This thread shoul be looked more closely by e v e r y one - why isn't it pinned anymore?! Edited May 5, 2007 by saschaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 (edited) Shame on me - I?m not very astonished. All the little signs: the bad quality of the pictures, the knew looking backside, the other rubbish sold by "hagekna41". But on the other hand 100% positive statements! I?m a beginner on Ebay - it has its own dynamic ...I have to learn I wonder why it make sense to "rebuilt" bars with original medals, when there is no profit? The single medals are worth about 200 Euro (Nimmergut-Katalog) and I paid about 150 Euro for this bar . The same stupid poeple destroy original bars I?m afraid I go slowly But thank you Saschaw for your comment Edited May 5, 2007 by Komtur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 WE had so many things "pinned" that it was pushing all the new, active topics to Page Two. I like that ancient Hessian ribbon bar very much indeed! May I use it for the next edition of The Ribbon bar Article, which will appear on our website here at SOME point-- if I survive typing all the 1914-18 rolls!Rod's Saxon 4 bar might well be an officer's-- from the style of mounting. It predates 1895--no "25" oakleaves on the EK or battle bars on the 70/71-- and maybe the wearer was dead before then and his next of kin bought those awards supposed to be returned... or just never turned them in. Might be worth finding an early 1890s Saxon Rank List to compare with survivors later, to cross off other receipients with additional awards. I don't know when they started listing retired officers in back, since the earliest one I have is 1909. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 Please excuse me for posting a pic of my very favorite possession that I posted about a year or so ago, but it seems a perfect match to this topic.Note the Saxon Silver St. Henry medal (Rothe) and the war medal both of 1866 (fighting with Austria against Prussia).... then the Prussian EK2 and the 1870-1871 war medal (fighting with Prussian against France). This guy must have been quite a fighter ... just point him in the right direction.I plan on being buried with this medal bar in my pocket!! ha ha RodWhere do you plan on being buried? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 (edited) But thank you Saschaw for your comment No news I like to give, but have to ... WE had so many things "pinned" that it was pushing all the new, active topics to Page Two. I like that ancient Hessian ribbon bar very much indeed! May I use it for the next edition of The Ribbon bar Article, which will appear on our website here at SOME point-- if I survive typing all the 1914-18 rolls!Of course you may, it's an honour and a please for me. Thanks. Wish I'd seen it Another one came up, have a look at it ... Edited May 5, 2007 by saschaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 Gentlemen,Going back to Rod?s bar with the Rothe Silver St. Henry medal, I would like to point out that these medals are very impressive - excellent detail, strongly struck (with only 261 awarded, there was little wear on the dies) and high relief. Shown below is a distant cousin which was awarded for 1866 and 1870.Best wishes,Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 (edited) Rod's Saxon 4 bar might well be an officer's-- from the style of mounting. It predates 1895--no "25" oakleaves on the EK or battle bars on the 70/71-- and maybe the wearer was dead before then and his next of kin bought those awards supposed to be returned... or just never turned them in. Might be worth finding an early 1890s Saxon Rank List to compare with survivors later, to cross off other receipients with additional awards. I don't know when they started listing retired officers in back, since the earliest one I have is 1909.Rick..I think (ohhhhh I am treading on dangerous ground ) the St. Henry medals were for non-officers. I think (again ) an officer would be awarded the St. Henry knights cross.I bought the bar from Detlev Niemann who observed the EK is an "awarded" one and in talks with Stephen Previtera he agrees it looks like an awarded Wagner.The original owner may well have departed this world long before 1895 as it appears he was a real chance taker . Certainly a very brave one!!Sorry to go on and on, but like I said at the start this is my favorite item. Rod Edited May 8, 2007 by Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 A second try with Saxony in this context, with more luck than the first one, I hope Regards, Komtur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) I revisted this subject and would like to ask for some clarification.I stuck my dumb neck out and questioned Rick's thought that the bar I posted could belong to an officer. I foolishly "challenged" this idea based on the Henry medals being awarded only to non-officers. BUT..... what I was not considering was the holder could be an officer from a state other than Saxony and would not be eligible for the Henry cross that was limited only the the sons of Saxony. I jumped to the conclusion that the guy was from Saxony as he also has the 1866 Saxon war medal.Could it be the 1866 Saxon war medals were awarded by Saxony to their allies ?? If so, the guy could only get the medal. Or maybe the guy was a Saxon non-com during the 1866 fracas and became an officer in the 1870-1871 unpleasentness???Ohhhhh if left to my own understanding, I swear I can rationalize anything!!! ha ha Please straighten me out..... Rod Edited December 22, 2008 by Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David M Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Maybe I missed something, but what is that 2nd piece on Komturs bar?RegardsDavid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Maybe I missed something, but what is that 2nd piece on Komturs bar?RegardsDavidFrom right to left (because the bar is sewed as a Frackspange):Saxony cross for 1866Saxony long service award for 9 years ("F?r lange u. treue Dienste) 1874-1913Prussia medal for 1870/71Saxony medical aid cross for 1870/71Saxony for civil long service ("F?r Treue in der Arbeit") 1905-1918)Regards, Komtur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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