Schtumm! Schtummmmm!

[Guest Rick Research]

[Jacky]

Upside down swords

Also green backing with brand new hook and clasp?

Even someone not deeply into German militaria may see this?

Edited June 10, 2007 by Jacky

[Paul R]

Nice assortment of long service awards too!

[Wild Card]

I still do not really understand anything about #2; but should #3 and #4 not be reversed?

[Deruelle]

Hi,

I have a photo of Max Neuenzeit with one X reverse than usual X on ribbon. He received the WMVO3 and WF3aX. Note that the WMVO3 is without green enameled. Very rare.

Regards

Christophe

Edited June 10, 2007 by Deruelle

[Guest Rick Research]

EXCELLENT photo!

This is a perfectly good ribbon bar in flawlessly correct precedence.. with the simple error of having the swords mounted upside down. And they can not spin (I tried )-- they're permanently fixed into the deep pleated South German style mounting and have NOT been accidentally spun the way that can happen on a FLAT ribbon bar.

No way to tell what the plain dark blue long service is-- Polizei? R.A.D. ? The last two are certainly a Turkish War Medal and a never-had-a-device Liakat Medal in "foreign awards in the time order received" mode.

One of Freiherr von Massenbach's ribbon bars has the same error:

[saschaw]

The last two are certainly a Turkish War Medal and a never-had-a-device Liakat Medal in "foreign awards in the time order received" mode.

Are you certain? I'd prefer Third Reich Feuerwehr-Ehrenzeichen, and the last might be Liyakat, OR might be Bavarian jubilee medal ...

This is in my humble opinion definitely not a ribbon for Ottoman war medal ...

[Claudio]

Wasn't it also used, especially in Saxony, to have decorations (orders) with the swords pointing downwards in order to indicate that their country has lost a war?? But I also tend to agree that these were mistakes which occured quite often!

Ciao,

Claudio

[saschaw]

Wasn't it also used, especially in Saxony, to have decorations (orders) with the swords pointing downwards in order to indicate that their country has lost a war?? But I also tend to agree that these were mistakes which occured quite often!

Sure this was done, but in this case: NO! It is a WW II bar, from a time when "we" still thought and hoped to win, and noone was allowed to say (or think) something else ...

[Guest Rick Research]

No, it's not the Feuerwehr-- hard to tell with the folds, but it is narrow dull red, white, wide dull red, white, narrow red. The only thing that makes sense there is the TWM.

Feuerwehr =

(I wonder if this poor guy was at Dresden! )