highfive Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 Hello, please post your thoughts about this Glory 2nd class medal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highfive Posted April 26, 2008 Author Share Posted April 26, 2008 bakc of Glory 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meffert Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 I think the center looks recently plated, that there are grind marks around a rather odd looking serial number, and that is an exceptionally ugly fake patina. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 highfive,please post a better picture of the tower in the center of the order and how thick are the tips of the 5 triangle.best regradsAndreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANZAC Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 Hello, please post your thoughts about this Glory 2nd class medal.Doesn't look good. The number puts it as a version 2. Critical factor is the missing berry on the left hand wreath there should be 5, instead on this one there is 4 which is one sign of a Glory fake.Brendan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highfive Posted April 26, 2008 Author Share Posted April 26, 2008 Gentlemen,thank you for your feedback, I appreciate it. It's sad to see that medal isn't 2nd class.Well, it will have to go back to the seller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highfive Posted April 30, 2008 Author Share Posted April 30, 2008 I love this collecting business!When I told seller that medal is a fake and I wanted to return it, his response was:"I still do believe that it is genuine, because I`ve paid 350,- Euros for it in 2003 !"This is priceless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lapa Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 I love this collecting business!When I told seller that medal is a fake and I wanted to return it, his response was:"I still do believe that it is genuine, because I`ve paid 350,- Euros for it in 2003 !"This is priceless! Yes, definitely a weighty argument to justify genuineness Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 So am I to assume that he will not refund you?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lapa Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 So am I to assume that he will not refund you?! Why should he, since he knows that his order is genuine given the price he then paid (what a flawless logic!)?Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meffert Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 Why should he, since he knows that his order is genuine given the price he then paid (what a flawless logic!)?MarcI paid $650 for a fake screwback ORB 2 years ago. I'll let it go for what I paid for it since, by this definition, it must be real. Any takers? That would be a bargain...if paying a lot for a fake made it real that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANZAC Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 I love this collecting business!When I told seller that medal is a fake and I wanted to return it, his response was:"I still do believe that it is genuine, because I`ve paid 350,- Euros for it in 2003 !"This is priceless!So after pointing out all the negative attributes, which show it to be a non genuine article, are you getting your money back? Obviously this person has no idea about fakes, or maybe he does know and tried to pass it off as genuine Maybe the creed is greed BrendanBrendan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highfive Posted May 1, 2008 Author Share Posted May 1, 2008 So am I to assume that he will not refund you?! He absolutely refused to accept the return and went furious when I told him I'd like the refund. I hope PayPal will help with the refund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANZAC Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 He absolutely refused to accept the return and went furious when I told him I'd like the refund. I hope PayPal will help with the refund.That proves it was fake, if he was sure it was genuine he would give the refund and easily sell it again.So what have we learned? before buying high end orders ask for advice, we are here to help Brendan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lapa Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 He absolutely refused to accept the return and went furious when I told him I'd like the refund. I hope PayPal will help with the refund. Guys,As a community, shouldn't we make publicly known to others who this wonderful dealer with such an efficient return policy is?Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANZAC Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Guys,As a community, shouldn't we make publicly known to others who this wonderful dealer with such an efficient return policy is?MarcAgree, Agree, lets out the fiend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highfive Posted May 1, 2008 Author Share Posted May 1, 2008 Here's the name of the seller:Jens Zander from Germany (he goes by "held_der_su" on eBay).If you decide to deal with this individual - do not ever send him cash or bank transfer as he insists! Use PayPal/CreditCard instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Bought for 350 euro in 2003, really? Here's the original auction of this order. It sold for 251 euro on 15 March 2008:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=260218407052 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lapa Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Bought for 350 euro in 2003, really? Here's the original auction of this order. It sold for 251 euro on 15 March 2008:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=260218407052 Wahoo! This guy must therefore be living in a parallel universe in which time ticks much faster than in ours Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tepo911 Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Bought for 350 euro in 2003, really? Here's the original auction of this order. It sold for 251 euro on 15 March 2008:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=260218407052highfive,PayPal will definitely help you recover your money, as long as you meet several conditions.1. Regardless of whether the seller stated "no refunds", you will receive a refund if the item is "substantially not as described". In other words, as long as he stated that it was original or authentic and you can prove that it is not, he will be required to return your funds. If he has PayPal's $2,000 protection (which he does) and refuses, PayPal will give you up to $2,000 out of their pocket! However, (for others out there reading this) If you assumed the item was original, but did not say so in so many words, you are out of luck.2. You must file a dispute claim with payPal within a certain time limit. Hopefully, you are still within that limit, or you are out of luck.3. They will require written documentation from a recognized authority or respected dealer, etc, to back up your claim of a fake. This is not hard if it really is fake. Go to sovietauthentications.com and Alexei will help you. (Right now he is on vacation until May 10)Just a suggestion for everyone....Do NOT bid on Ebay items unless seller has $2,000 buyer protection..... pay only with PayPal, they will protect you.... make sure the seller says "original or authentic" in writing.... file a dispute promptly.Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Bought for 350 euro in 2003, really? Here's the original auction of this order. It sold for 251 euro on 15 March 2008:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=260218407052Wow, a double liar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lapa Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Here's the name of the seller:Jens Zander from Germany (he goes by "held_der_su" on eBay).If you decide to deal with this individual - do not ever send him cash or bank transfer as he insists! Use PayPal/CreditCard instead. Highfive,I had a look at the auction in which you won this award. Man, if you bought it based only on the pictures the seller provided, for sure you like playing Russian roulette Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hipnos Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 highfive,PayPal will definitely help you recover your money, as long as you meet several conditions.1. Regardless of whether the seller stated "no refunds", you will receive a refund if the item is "substantially not as described". In other words, as long as he stated that it was original or authentic and you can prove that it is not, he will be required to return your funds. If he has PayPal's $2,000 protection (which he does) and refuses, PayPal will give you up to $2,000 out of their pocket! However, (for others out there reading this) If you assumed the item was original, but did not say so in so many words, you are out of luck.2. You must file a dispute claim with payPal within a certain time limit. Hopefully, you are still within that limit, or you are out of luck.3. They will require written documentation from a recognized authority or respected dealer, etc, to back up your claim of a fake. This is not hard if it really is fake. Go to sovietauthentications.com and Alexei will help you. (Right now he is on vacation until May 10)Just a suggestion for everyone....Do NOT bid on Ebay items unless seller has $2,000 buyer protection..... pay only with PayPal, they will protect you.... make sure the seller says "original or authentic" in writing.... file a dispute promptly.SteveGentlemen: I?ve noticed that a higher proprotion of sellers at eBay.de, don?t have PayPal and insist in Bank transference, that, as you know leave you totally unprotected and make much more difficult to enforce your money devolution. I remind that the only time I have a problem in ebay was with a geman seller that never send me an EK 1class I?ve bought (and payed by Int.Money Order). eBay can?t do nothing to the respect...Of course I?m not saying that the bulk of german sellers are more "thieves" that the rest but that their relative preference by don?t use PayPal leave the buyer more defenceless...RegardsMiguel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highfive Posted May 1, 2008 Author Share Posted May 1, 2008 Highfive,I had a look at the auction in which you won this award. Man, if you bought it based only on the pictures the seller provided, for sure you like playing Russian roulette MarcI know, I must have got too excited. Definitely a lesson for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 I know, I must have got too excited. Definitely a lesson for me.Is it too late for you to give him a negative feedback? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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