Belaruski Posted January 18, 2007 Posted January 18, 2007 ok then...Which Hero of the Soviet Union was killed by potatoes?(more clues can follow if neccesary- And it's nothing to do with vodka!)
Christophe Posted January 18, 2007 Author Posted January 18, 2007 (...)I have read somewhere, that some Marshalls (Budyonny ?) wore their "St.-George-Crosses" at one occassion (not their funeral ) at their uniform. Do you have some informations about that event? Maybe Brezhnev allowed them to do so .Zhukov received also "St.-George-Crosses" - 2 or 3 ?(...)ChristianHi Christian,In Awards of Russia 1698-1917, by Sergey Shishkov, vol 2 , page 201, there is a pic dated 1946 of Colonel general Trubnikov , Deputy Commander in Chief of the Northern Army Group, wearing St George's Cross Class I to IV.Zhukov got the Class III and IV of the St George's Cross. Malinovsky and Rokossovski got the Class IV. Budenny of course got the Class I to IV....Cheers.Ch.
Christophe Posted January 18, 2007 Author Posted January 18, 2007 Colonel General Trubnikov.He is wearing St george's Cross Class I to IV. But, of course, this is a studio photo, which does not mean they weer allowed to wear them.Ch.Pic : Awards of Russia 1698-1917 - Sergey Shishkov - vol 2 , page 201.
Christophe Posted January 18, 2007 Author Posted January 18, 2007 ok then...Which Hero of the Soviet Union was killed by potatoes?(more clues can follow if neccesary- And it's nothing to do with vodka!)I have no clue, but will be interested in knowing the story. What think the others ?Ch.
Christian Zulus Posted January 18, 2007 Posted January 18, 2007 Hi Christian,In Awards of Russia 1698-1917, by Sergey Shishkov, vol 2 , page 201, there is a pic dated 1946 of Colonel general Trubnikov , Deputy Commander in Chief of the Northern Army Group, wearing St George's Cross Class I to IV.Zhukov got the Class III and IV of the St George's Cross. Malinovsky and Rokossovski got the Class IV. Budenny of course got the Class I to IV....Cheers.Ch.Dear Christophe,many thanks for the photograph .It is interesting, that comrade Shishkov wears the Czarist Awards between the Soviet and the foreign awards.It is even more interesting, that most of the great GPW-Marshall started as meritorious NCOs in WW I .Best regardsChristian
Christian Zulus Posted January 18, 2007 Posted January 18, 2007 I have no clue, but will be interested in knowing the story. What think the others ?Ch.Gentlemen,I also have no clue at all .Maybe our HSU got drawned among tons of potatoes in a silo ?Silos had been tatical very important points in the battle - height & solid concrete structure (Stalingrad, etc.).Best regardsChristian
Christophe Posted January 18, 2007 Author Posted January 18, 2007 (...)It is interesting, that comrade Shishkov wears the Czarist Awards between the Soviet and the foreign awards.(...)ChristianThis is comrade Trubnikov; Shishkov being the author of the book... Ch.
Christian Zulus Posted January 18, 2007 Posted January 18, 2007 This is comrade Trubnikov; Shishkov being the author of the book... Ch.Dear Christophe,your are right .I found it interesting, that the General had the same name like the well known author .I had been looking in the wrong line ...Best regards Christian
Christophe Posted January 19, 2007 Author Posted January 19, 2007 Hi Christian,No pb. Interesting to notice that General Trubnikov has got 4 red banners, the 4th one being a 'normal" one, without the "4".But, let's go back to this HSU who fought, surrendered... to potatoes...Ch;
Christian Zulus Posted January 19, 2007 Posted January 19, 2007 (edited) Hi Christian,No pb. Interesting to notice that General Trubnikov has got 4 red banners, the 4th one being a 'normal" one, without the "4".Ch;Dear Christophe,that's the sloppy way Soviet authorities, we specially can see with multiple RBs and with Glory 1cl . In anycase, it is a violation of statutes and regulations ...Best regards Christian Edited January 19, 2007 by Christian Zulus
Belaruski Posted January 19, 2007 Posted January 19, 2007 The HSU was killed after the war. And was a hero of Socialist labour too.(and the potatoes were in a truck!).He was a very famous partisan leader.
Belaruski Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 (edited) It is indeed!Pyotr Masherov was born as Pyatro Mashera in a village in Vitebsk region of Belarus and before the outbreak of the Great Patriotic War in 1941 worked as a high school physics and math teacher. Between 1942 and 1944 Masherov led an underground group of Soviet partisans in Belarus and was awarded title Hero of the Soviet Union in August of 1944.In 1965 after holding some key positions in Belarusian regions and in Minsk Pyotr Masherov became the first secretary of the Communist party in Belarus.He was de facto the president of Belarusian Soviet Socialist Republic.Many had considered him the likely successor of the ageing General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union Leonid Brezhnev.In 1978 Pyotr Masherov was awarded Hero of Socialist Labour title for his contributions to the development of Belarusian republic.He died in an automobile accident when his car, escorted by police, collided with a produce truck (potatoes) that had unexpectedly entered the freeway. Well done, and your turn! Edited January 20, 2007 by Belaruski
Christophe Posted January 20, 2007 Author Posted January 20, 2007 Here are a few details about Masherov (source Wikipedia) :"Pyotr Mironovich Masherov (1918 - 1980) was the secretary of Belarusian committee of the Communist Party of Soviet Union and a communist leader of Soviet Belarus.Pyotr Masherov was born as Pyatro Mashera in a village in Vitsebsk region of Belarus and before the outbreak of the Great Patriotic War in 1941 worked as a highschool physics and math teacher. Between 1942 and 1944 Masherov led an underground group of Soviet partisans in Belarus and was awarded title Hero of the Soviet Union in August of 1944. In 1965 after holding some key positions in Belarusian regions and in Minsk Pyotr Masherov became the first secretary of the Communist party in Belarus. He was de facto the president of Belarusian Soviet Socialist Republic. He differed from many other leaders of the Soviet times in that he was truly beloved by people for advocating the early form of glasnost, did a lot for Belarus.Many had considered him the likely successor of the aging General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union Leonid Brezhnev.In 1978 Pyotr Masherov was awarded Hero of Socialist Labor title for his contributions to the development of Belorussian republic.He died in an automobile accident when his car, escorted by police, collided with a produce truck (potatoes) that had unexpectedly entered the freeway. It was declared an accident but some think that it was staged by the KGB to eliminate a strong potential candidate for the leadership in USSR.One of the major streets in Minsk, the capital of Belarus, was named "Masherov Avenue" in 1990's, it was re-named in May of 2005."Ch.
Christophe Posted January 20, 2007 Author Posted January 20, 2007 Congrats Simon (RedThreat) !!! And bravo to Belaruski for the question.Simon, your turn, now!!!Ch.
Christophe Posted January 20, 2007 Author Posted January 20, 2007 Sorry Belaruski,I posted about the same details as you, but your post did not appear while I was writing mine... Cheers.Ch.
Christophe Posted January 20, 2007 Author Posted January 20, 2007 Sorry Christophe!!great minds think alike!Again.... Ch.
Christian Zulus Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 He died in an automobile accident when his car, escorted by police, collided with a produce truck (potatoes) that had unexpectedly entered the freeway. It was declared an accident but some think that it was staged by the KGB to eliminate a strong potential candidate for the leadership in USSR.Gentlemen,such "incidents" had been rather common at the Westbalkans (Ex-Yugoslavia) in the 1990s .BTW: The KBG-chief had been the successor of comrade Brzhnev as the head of the CCCP ...Best regards Christian
Guest RedThreat Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 Well done, and your turn!Thank you. Having lived first 14 years of my life 30 km from the place where Masherov was killed, I should have figured out the answer faster. Theories about assassination of Masherov were hotly debated on Soviet TV screens and around kitchen tables in the late 1980's.Belarus issued a postage stamp in honor of Masherov's 80th birthday.Cheers,Simon
Guest RedThreat Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 Who am I?I also became Marshal of the SU and have a moustache.
Christian Zulus Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 Who am I?I also became Marshal of the SU and have a moustache. Dear Simon,Aleksandr Mikhaylovich - maybe ? But I never saw him with a moustache, but he promoted even to a Captain of the Czarist Army .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VasilevskyWe don't have sooooo many Marshalls of the CCCP, who had been - at least - Lieutenant 1st class of the Czarist Army .Best regards Christian
Guest RedThreat Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 Dear Simon,Aleksandr Mikhaylovich - maybe ? But I never saw him with a moustache, but he promoted even to a Captain of the Czarist Army .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VasilevskyWe don't have sooooo many Marshalls of the CCCP, who had been - at least - Lieutenant 1st class of the Czarist Army .Best regards ChristianDear Christian:Our hero is not Vasilevsky. Can you identify his rank on this photo? Cheers,Simon
Ferdinand Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 Is it a colonel? Is it Voroshilov (wild guess)?
Christian Zulus Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 Dear Christian:Our hero is not Vasilevsky. Can you identify his rank on this photo? Cheers,SimonDear Simon,sorry, sorry ..... - of course it is a Colonel of the Czarist Army .I had been too biased by the row of Marshalls of the CCCP, who had been NCOs .So, I transfered the Colonel to a Lieutenant 1st Rank ...Best regards Christian
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