Turkey Otto Hersing TWM

[Gordon Williamson]

Behind glass and in a dimly lit room so apologies for the poor photo, but for what its worth, this is the TWM of U-Boat Ace Otto Hersing.

[TerryG]

Wow, nice piece of history. This is the same manufacturer I believe?

[Gordon Williamson]

Could well be Terry, though it looks like the Tughra on Hersing's is solid rather than fretted out, otherwise it looks a good match.

[saschaw]

though it looks like the Tughra on Hersing's is solid rather than fretted out, otherwise it looks a good match.

Godet made both versions, and those do look like Godets. They are, aren't they?

[avsaribar]

Godet made both versions, and those do look like Godets. They are, aren't they?

The one which Mr.Terry has above is an AWS.

Regards,

Avsar Ibar

[saschaw]

Ah okay, thanks. Though, it is very close to my Godet:

[TerryG]

Ah okay, thanks. Though, it is very close to my Godet:

Indeed it is. How can you tell Avsar?

[avsaribar]

Terry , if you ask me how I understand that it is AWS ,

Let say we can not see the back , so we can not see the marks etc..

In this position , Not very easy to understand , but numerous TWM's I saw and sold.

First I am starting by the pen work under the enamels , then I am checking the form

of the star , last and most important , check the Tughra , for example , if you compare

Godet ones Tughras , they are more clear and proper then AWS ones. Even I can say that ,

Tugras on the AWS made wrong. Like the Steinheuer and Luck ones.. All wrong...

Specially as you know , the Tughra Mark on the TWM's are Sultan Mehmed Resad's Tughra.

On the part where it was written "MEHMED" ( I tried to mark with Green )on your picture and , where

it was written "HAN" (I tried to mark with Blue) is completely different then the Godet ones.

Please check your shoot of the below picture ( I mean the one without my Green and Blue lines) ,

The blue Lines are not continue properly , below I also paste a Godet Picture , which I found from

this forum. It's Tughra is Far different then your AWS.

[avsaribar]

Below is an GODET Made TWM , please check the Tughras differences (Specially , where I tried to color , where it was written Mehmed and Han.)

with your AWS picture.

[avsaribar]

So , I tried to describe "how I can tell" ,

Btw , sorry for my English ...

Hope my explanations will help...

All the Best ,

Avsar Ibar

[TerryG]

So , I tried to describe "how I can tell" ,

Btw , sorry for my English ...

Hope my explanations will help...

All the Best ,

Avsar Ibar

Brilliant, very helpful, thank you and happy Feast (and do not apologise for your English, it is 101% better than my Turkish!)

[Ulsterman]

Bravo!!

I have been studying Tugrrhas myself for 5 years.

Blowing up photos, I am convinced we have war time proof of BB & Co. issues by the smallness of the secondary characters.

[Streptile]

The one which Mr.Terry has above is an AWS.

Hello all,

My first visit to this subforum, although I see some folks I "know" here.

I am trying to do a little research into the AWS type of TWM.

Terry, could you possibly direct me to a reverse shot of your AWS type? Or post one?

Also, if anyone has a marked AWS, I would be grateful for a photo.

Edited June 1, 2011 by Streptile

[dond]

I thought this was an AWS. http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/21186-nine-rivet-twm/

Edited June 3, 2011 by dond

[Streptile]

Thanks Don. A very helpful link,

[demir]

Terry , if you ask me how I understand that it is AWS ,

Let say we can not see the back , so we can not see the marks etc..

In this position , Not very easy to understand , but numerous TWM's I saw and sold.

First I am starting by the pen work under the enamels , then I am checking the form

of the star , last and most important , check the Tughra , for example , if you compare

Godet ones Tughras , they are more clear and proper then AWS ones. Even I can say that ,

Tugras on the AWS made wrong. Like the Steinheuer and Luck ones.. All wrong...

Specially as you know , the Tughra Mark on the TWM's are Sultan Mehmed Resad's Tughra.

On the part where it was written "MEHMED" ( I tried to mark with Green )on your picture and , where

it was written "HAN" (I tried to mark with Blue) is completely different then the Godet ones.

Please check your shoot of the below picture ( I mean the one without my Green and Blue lines) ,

The blue Lines are not continue properly , below I also paste a Godet Picture , which I found from

this forum. It's Tughra is Far different then your AWS.

Thank you Avsar.

Very nicely explained.

demir

[tan berk]

Where is Otto Hersing's TWM residing now? Is it in a museum or in a family estate, I wondered where was that photo taken...