Gordon Williamson Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Behind glass and in a dimly lit room so apologies for the poor photo, but for what its worth, this is the TWM of U-Boat Ace Otto Hersing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryG Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Wow, nice piece of history. This is the same manufacturer I believe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted December 3, 2008 Author Share Posted December 3, 2008 Could well be Terry, though it looks like the Tughra on Hersing's is solid rather than fretted out, otherwise it looks a good match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 though it looks like the Tughra on Hersing's is solid rather than fretted out, otherwise it looks a good match.Godet made both versions, and those do look like Godets. They are, aren't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avsaribar Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Godet made both versions, and those do look like Godets. They are, aren't they?The one which Mr.Terry has above is an AWS.Regards,Avsar Ibar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Ah okay, thanks. Though, it is very close to my Godet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryG Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Ah okay, thanks. Though, it is very close to my Godet:Indeed it is. How can you tell Avsar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avsaribar Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Terry , if you ask me how I understand that it is AWS , Let say we can not see the back , so we can not see the marks etc..In this position , Not very easy to understand , but numerous TWM's I saw and sold.First I am starting by the pen work under the enamels , then I am checking the form of the star , last and most important , check the Tughra , for example , if you compareGodet ones Tughras , they are more clear and proper then AWS ones. Even I can say that , Tugras on the AWS made wrong. Like the Steinheuer and Luck ones.. All wrong...Specially as you know , the Tughra Mark on the TWM's are Sultan Mehmed Resad's Tughra.On the part where it was written "MEHMED" ( I tried to mark with Green )on your picture and , where it was written "HAN" (I tried to mark with Blue) is completely different then the Godet ones. Please check your shoot of the below picture ( I mean the one without my Green and Blue lines) , The blue Lines are not continue properly , below I also paste a Godet Picture , which I found from this forum. It's Tughra is Far different then your AWS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avsaribar Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Below is an GODET Made TWM , please check the Tughras differences (Specially , where I tried to color , where it was written Mehmed and Han.)with your AWS picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avsaribar Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 So , I tried to describe "how I can tell" , Btw , sorry for my English ... Hope my explanations will help...All the Best , Avsar Ibar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryG Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 So , I tried to describe "how I can tell" , Btw , sorry for my English ... Hope my explanations will help...All the Best , Avsar IbarBrilliant, very helpful, thank you and happy Feast (and do not apologise for your English, it is 101% better than my Turkish!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Bravo!!I have been studying Tugrrhas myself for 5 years. Blowing up photos, I am convinced we have war time proof of BB & Co. issues by the smallness of the secondary characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streptile Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 (edited) The one which Mr.Terry has above is an AWS. Hello all, My first visit to this subforum, although I see some folks I "know" here. I am trying to do a little research into the AWS type of TWM. Terry, could you possibly direct me to a reverse shot of your AWS type? Or post one? Also, if anyone has a marked AWS, I would be grateful for a photo. Edited June 1, 2011 by Streptile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) I thought this was an AWS. http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/21186-nine-rivet-twm/ Edited June 3, 2011 by dond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streptile Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Thanks Don. A very helpful link, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demir Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Terry , if you ask me how I understand that it is AWS , Let say we can not see the back , so we can not see the marks etc.. In this position , Not very easy to understand , but numerous TWM's I saw and sold. First I am starting by the pen work under the enamels , then I am checking the form of the star , last and most important , check the Tughra , for example , if you compare Godet ones Tughras , they are more clear and proper then AWS ones. Even I can say that , Tugras on the AWS made wrong. Like the Steinheuer and Luck ones.. All wrong... Specially as you know , the Tughra Mark on the TWM's are Sultan Mehmed Resad's Tughra. On the part where it was written "MEHMED" ( I tried to mark with Green )on your picture and , where it was written "HAN" (I tried to mark with Blue) is completely different then the Godet ones. Please check your shoot of the below picture ( I mean the one without my Green and Blue lines) , The blue Lines are not continue properly , below I also paste a Godet Picture , which I found from this forum. It's Tughra is Far different then your AWS. Thank you Avsar. Very nicely explained. demir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tan berk Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Where is Otto Hersing's TWM residing now? Is it in a museum or in a family estate, I wondered where was that photo taken... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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