EK 1939 Schinkel Form EKs

[Bill Garvy]

Here's an early, unmarked Meybauer in 1st Class. . .

[Bill Garvy]

Here is the reverse with hinge, pin and clasp configuration. . .

[Bill Garvy]

The clasp. . .

[Bill Garvy]

And finally, here's a close-up of the hinge. . . Do you need anymore?

[Motorhead]

Thanx,Bill! I think that helps....

George,I think it's because nobody knowns this variation. But the sad thing is,nobody really want to discuss this EK! It's a bad,ugly fake and that's it....Not the way I like the exchange of knowledge.So your Schinkel is from DN?

Micha

[George Stimson]

Yes, it's from DN -- with a COA.

[Dietrich]

Do the people on the German Forum have a reason why they don't like it?  Or do they just not like it?

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George,

this is a general problem! Not only in Germany, as we know. It is so much easier to just say "fake" without any reason, shrouding oneself in a veil of mysterious knowledge then explaining why one thinks so (at least). The majority of the guys in this particular german forum are good at the common stuff, but will not venture into "unknowns". No pioneer spirit, so to say.

I found your reasoning compelling. I weigh this alweays in my minds against "odds' and possible "faker intention". In this case, this being a fake makes no sense. And somebody had to make them, right?

Dietrich

[George Stimson]

Here's my cross, just for easy comparison purposes on this Forum.

[George Stimson]

Here's my cross, just for easy comparison purposes on this Forum.

[George Stimson]

Hmmmm. I seem to be having a problem. I'll get back to you.

[Jim Baker]

Micah,

Your cross is good. If I were still collecting EK's, I would not hesitate to buy this cross.

Why? I have seen and handled an identical cross in the past and for all my trying, I could not get the owner to sell it to me. One of those I never managed to get.

It's a keeper.

[Jim Baker]

Gordon,

Here's a horror story for you. A friend and I were comparing collections some years ago, and he actually gave himself up and confessed to giving one of these away thinking it was a repro. By the time he got some good references, he had lost track of the recipient of his "gift".

I didn't know whether to laugh or cry...

[Biro]

One of the rarer Schinkels. A noticeably smaller version of the Schinkel B....

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Hi Gordon

Schinkel B??

That small one is a real beauty - but I've always been under the impression that the straight arm types were exclusively 'B's....

As you appear to have coined the phrase 'Schinkel B', can you explain what would constitute 'B type' for you.......

Here are my two I've always considered THE standard B types - unaffected by their 'bendy' framed cousins..... and enjoying the notoriety!

Marshall

[Gordon Williamson]

Well spotted Marshall, typo on my part, should have been "A"

[Jim Baker]

Marshall,

Have you always had that parade mounted piece?? THAT is awesome!!!

[Motorhead]

Here's a 1914 Meybauer pinback-please have a look at the core......For my eyes they where made by the same tool! So if the guys at the german forum are right, a faker has to take an imperial Meybauer pinback,open the frame and has to put a new core in.Then he has to organize an early 1939 Meybauer with the typical Meybauer pin and hinge for the parts......To stay serious-we have a 1914 Meaybauer pinback frame together with the pin and the hinge of an early 1939 Meybauer ......later I will post some comparisons between the two frames.

Micha

[Guest Brian von Etzel]

...shrouding oneself in a veil of mysterious knowledge...

Yes, that ONLY happens on German forums.

What a great Imperial pin setup these Meybauer's have.

[Chris Boonzaier]

My wifes grandfathers, bought after his awarded piece went down at Narvik, notice the small ring, made just for mounting.

[Chris Boonzaier]

Also a straight 3 by the way.

[Allan]

I would ppreciate your opinions on this one please, and perhaps start a topic on one piece EK11.

The recess for the EK11 in ths base apperas to be purposely made to take a Schinkel type EK11.

But, what do you think of one piece EK11 generally.

Let me know if you need more pictures or weights/dimensions.

Allan

[Allan]

inside

[Allan]

front

[Allan]

reverse

[Gordon Williamson]

Does the Cross have that slightly dimpled finish under the paint ? I have seen more one piece Schinkels than ordinary one piece EKs, so I would have far less suspicion over one of these. Can't see anything about this one that raises any immediate warning flags.

[Allan]

Hi Gordon,

Yes, the cross certainly has a 'dimpled' effect under the paint. Never noticed that before!!

So why one piece? Cuts the cost of production I suppose?

Allan