Robin Lumsden Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 ''''''''''''''''''''' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant 08 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 ''''''''''''''''''''' Yes, an octopus skull!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 Yes, an octopus skull!!! ................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 http://www.tapferes-westfalen.de/wissen/flammen_text.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant 08 Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 (edited) Update. The Flammenwerfer officer skull arrived! It is a fantastic piece of history and has a much better quality than you can see in the already posted pictures. Now I have it my hands and I looked carefully at all details of the skull. I found rests of the thread, which was used to sew the skull on the sleeve. That means my presumption was correct. The skull was directly sewn in this shape on the uniform. It is possible it was made like the Rastatt skull with an field grey oval. But in this case it was cut out from the oval before it was fixed on the sleeve. Why? Different photos show us, that many officers prefered skulls without an oval. Reasons.......Perhaps to make another difference between the officer skull and the skull pattern for enlisted men??? Perhaps a "Modetrend"? Who knows.... Edited August 3, 2013 by Sergeant 08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted August 3, 2013 Author Share Posted August 3, 2013 It is a fantastic piece of history and has a much better quality than you can see in the already posted pictures. Now I have it my hands and I looked carefully at all details of the skull. I found rests of the thread, which was used to sew the skull on the sleeve. Perhaps a "Modetrend"? Who knows.... Exactly! Just like the 'Black Skull' !! Congratulations !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Exactly! Just like the 'Black Skull' !! Exactly...."Who knows...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted August 3, 2013 Author Share Posted August 3, 2013 (edited) Exactly...."Who knows...." Edited August 3, 2013 by Robin Lumsden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted August 3, 2013 Author Share Posted August 3, 2013 ............... rare group ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilles Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Stefan, How heavy is the skull, due to the metal thread? Can reducing the patch to more or less its metall part have given it a greater stability? Would otherwise have a heavy skull been "floating" on a larger cloth patch? On other badges (imperial shooting prizes, Freikorps patches...) you usually find or may find a counter-plate that gives the badge stability. Otherwise, they may have just found it more elegant... Some enlisted men seem to have done it as well. Gilles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant 08 Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) Stefan, How heavy is the skull, due to the metal thread? Can reducing the patch to more or less its metall part have given it a greater stability? Would otherwise have a heavy skull been "floating" on a larger cloth patch? On other badges (imperial shooting prizes, Freikorps patches...) you usually find or may find a counter-plate that gives the badge stability. Otherwise, they may have just found it more elegant... Some enlisted men seem to have done it as well. Gilles Gilles, your thoughts are very, very interesting. Thanks! I think this practical problem could be the origin for wearing cut out skulls without an oval. It is correct, the metal thread gives the skull a very high weight. The skull is compareable to a metall badge. It could be uncomfortable for an uniform wearer to sew it with an oval on the uniform. Without oval officer skulls had a better stability on sleeves. No doubt. Stefan PS: Enlisted men did the same. Perhaps really accepted as more elegant way later. I think the most soldiers (who did the same) were NCO's with higher military ranks. I guess they used embroidered officer skulls, too. Edited August 4, 2013 by Sergeant 08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 Stefan.You have a great officer cut-out there ...................... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 ............. you usually find a counter-plate that gives the badge stability. Gilles Korrekt !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 So ..................... this is a wonderful, original officer's badge. A wise investment for you, Stefan !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 The big boss Reddemann himself wore one with an oval, though ...................... so nothing is impossible ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant 08 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 (edited) Stefan. You have a great officer cut-out there ...................... I have always prefered worn items with the "I was there character". Edited August 5, 2013 by Sergeant 08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant 08 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 So ..................... this is a wonderful, original officer's badge. A wise investment for you, Stefan !! I'm very happy with it! PS: I will put it next to the black skull in my collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 That will provide a good comparision between an original and a fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant 08 Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 (edited) That will provide a good comparision between an original and a fake. I was sure, anybody would post such a comment again. It was only a question of time. Edited August 6, 2013 by Sergeant 08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 That will provide a good comparision between an original and a fake. Have you ever seen a Bullion badge vomit?... but it next to one of the "Blackskulls" ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted August 6, 2013 Author Share Posted August 6, 2013 (edited) Stefan. Keep the faith, brother. The black skull is one of the rarest things out there ........................ It has pride of place in this TK group. Time will provide the evidence. It always does. Edited August 6, 2013 by Robin Lumsden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Whether proof ever surfaces or not this thread does have the best compilation of FW skulls anywhere in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted August 6, 2013 Author Share Posted August 6, 2013 Whether proof ever surfaces or not this thread does have the best compilation of FW skulls anywhere in the world. Korrekt! Well said, Don. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant 08 Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 ......this thread does have the best compilation of FW skulls anywhere in the world. That's sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted August 6, 2013 Author Share Posted August 6, 2013 (edited) That's sure! Jawohl !! Here's the only 100% wartime attributed FW group I know of ................. Edited August 6, 2013 by Robin Lumsden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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