Elvis Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 Hello gents,I will show you the "Bundesverdienstorden" or sometimes also called the "Bundesverdienstkreuz" of the Federal Republic of Germany.This decoration was issued on 07.09.1951 and signed by president Mr. Theodor Heuss.I start with the lowest of 8 classes. In international range they call the class -medaille-Die Verdienstmedaille - Medal of MeritOn the left side you find the ladies items.In the middle the miniature.On the right side you see the decorations for man.Diameter of the medal = 38 mm, by the miniature it is 16 mm.The ribbon is 30 mm, by the miniature it is 15 mm.The ribbon bar is 25 mm.Hope that you enjoy itThe next class is coming soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvis Posted June 28, 2009 Author Share Posted June 28, 2009 Hello gents this is step number 2,I will show you the "Bundesverdienstorden" or sometimes also called the "Bundesverdienstkreuz" of the Federal Republic of Germany.Now I come to the the second-lowest of 8 classes. In international range they call the class -knight-Das Verdienstkreuz - Cross of MeritOn the left side you find the ladies items.In the middle the miniature.On the right side you see the decorations for men.Size of the cross = 47 mm for ladies, or 55 mm for men, by the miniature it is 16 mm.The ribbon is 30 mm, by the miniature it is 15 mm.The ribbon bar is 25 mm.Hope that you enjoy itThe next class is coming soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvis Posted October 25, 2009 Author Share Posted October 25, 2009 Hello gents this is step number 3, Now I come to the the third-lowest of 8 classes. In international range they call the class -officer- Das Verdienstkreuz 1, Klasse - Cross of Merit First Class On the left side you find the ladies items. In the middle the miniature. On the right side you see the decorations for men. Size of the cross = 47 mm for ladies, or 55 mm for men, by the miniature it is 16 mm. There is no ribbon for the cross because there is a kind of brooch for fixing. The miniature ribbon is again 15 mm. The ribbon bar is 25 mm. Hope that you enjoy it The next class is coming soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacHel Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Is it the lighting or is the red of the crosses quite darker than usual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvis Posted November 11, 2009 Author Share Posted November 11, 2009 Hello TacHel, thanks for your interest. I think in case of different suppliers and production-lots (since 60 years), the color is always a bit different if you see 2 items side by side. The base-color-material, and the way of production has also changed during the times. The lightnig could be a problem. But the items are a bit different in natural. So you have good eyes for checking these products. The official discription of the color is RAL 3000 (should be similar). So this means usual? Hope you understand my english. Thanks for aour arguments. Best regards Elvis Is it the lighting or is the red of the crosses quite darker than usual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacHel Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Your English is impeccable my friend. Below are mine, hence my question as to the red tone. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_11_2009/post-3030-12579598015.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_11_2009/post-3030-125795980931.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_11_2009/post-3030-125795981834.jpg Does the darker on yours usually denote an older or later award? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Eagle Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 (edited) That color looks like a fabrication from the maker Bender http://www.ordenthw.de But, better look for medals like this: Edited November 11, 2009 by Red Eagle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacHel Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 (edited) I can find no maker's mark on any of the 3 displayed in my previous post. The Merit Cross 1st class and Merit Medal both came as is without a case. The Merit Cross 2nd on the other hand is cased. The inscription on the back of the case: C.E. JUNCKER, BERLIN SO 36 I also just noticed the marked differences in the ribbon of your and my Cross 2nd class. Is my cross on the wrong ribbon? Edited November 11, 2009 by TacHel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Eagle Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Your 1st class and the medal are from Steinhauer & Lück. Your 2nd class from Juncker. Some crosses with the clasp "50" are on the medal ribbon. So, it is all ok with your crosses. Regards Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvis Posted November 12, 2009 Author Share Posted November 12, 2009 Hallo TacHel, thanks for your kind answer. You get information from "red eagle" - he is an expert in this field. I think junker was producing in the 19fifties and 19sixties. Steinhauer is running with this product from beginng until today (arround 60 years). Both of them are not able to do it in the same style and color as bevor - during the time period. Your models are also older than the other ones, but yours are still correct. The "50"-year items is a bit seldom. Keep it in your collection. Thanks for that nice discussion. Elvis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
army historian Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Here is my 2 cents. The scan is not good, but it does show the differences. The one on the left is cased by STEINHAUER & LUCK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Eagle Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 (edited) On my Website http://www.ordensmuseum.de , I add a rare award document and some new award numbers of the communal orders of the FRG. Red Edited August 16, 2010 by Red Eagle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacHel Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 Great document! Thanks for sharing! And your web site is awesome! It is now saved in my favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 Is this a good one then: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=45803 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Eagle Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 In my opinion, this cross was made by Bender. Actual price in the Bender shop: 16,80 Euro http://www.ordenthw.de/shop/shop.php?mode=show_detail&lang=de&group=52&sid=1f821d389de004921639518d0174da6b&s=&id=200 Its not an issued piece, because only St&L pieces be awarded actually. Regards Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacHel Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Some crosses with the clasp "50" are on the medal ribbon. So, it is all ok with your crosses. Regards Red In what circumstance would this happen? Below is the latest addition to my collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Eagle Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Looks similar with a Bender piece, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacHel Posted September 24, 2010 Share Posted September 24, 2010 Some crosses with the clasp "50" are on the medal ribbon. So, it is all ok with your crosses. Regards Red So I ask again... Why were they issued on the medal ribbon? Any particular reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Eagle Posted September 24, 2010 Share Posted September 24, 2010 This question, I ask to the Ordenskanzlei in the Bundespräsidialkanzlei. But they dont have a answer for this question. We know that this ribbon was issued. But we dont know some about an official reason. Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacHel Posted September 24, 2010 Share Posted September 24, 2010 This question, I ask to the Ordenskanzlei in the Bundespräsidialkanzlei. But they dont have a answer for this question. We know that this ribbon was issued. But we dont know some about an official reason. Red "THEY" don't know? Well... I'm now seriously considering changing the ribbon... What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Eagle Posted September 24, 2010 Share Posted September 24, 2010 Booth ribbons are okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Eagle Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Since few moths, I got a award document the the grandcross. My first one! YAY! I love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megan Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Very nice. And I too love your site, particularly as I am now working on the German section of my site... alas there are not many modern German items coming up for sale with the various dealers/auction houses which permit me to use their catalogues, so I am relying on collectors (thank you Frank!), but a few have come up like these on Dix Noonan Webb in their last (10 December 2014) auction: Großes Verdienstkreuz mit Stern und Schulterband if I am not mistaken. The search continues... but at least I know what I am looking for after consulting your site, Uwe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 What are these awarded for? Merit or Valor? Also, can enlisted members receive these awards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 The Bundesverdienstkreuz is usually not awarded for military deeds. These are Germanys only military decorations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badge_of_Honour_of_the_Bundeswehr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundeswehr_Cross_of_Honour_for_Valour Concerning the Bundesverdienstkreuz: Usually high ranking officers (Generals) get the Verdienstkreuz am Bande or Verdienstkreuz 1. Klasse as a service decoration, but it´s not normally awarded to the armed forces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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