Dolf Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 Heres my pin Back Ser #1947Hi Ron,Welcome to this Forum Nice S/N you have there, looks like a date... if you see what I mean. Like my pinback (#2006), still the highest S/N I've seen so far. The screwback has a much lower S/N, 185... Best wishes,Dolf
rboomsma Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 Thanks DolfI was not aware of this forum, lots of info in it.Hi Ron,Welcome to this Forum Nice S/N you have there, looks like a date... if you see what I mean. Like my pinback (#2006), still the highest S/N I've seen so far. The screwback has a much lower S/N, 185... Best wishes,Dolf
Ed_Haynes Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 Welcome to the #1 site on Mongolian awards! Good to see you here!!What we have, to date, on the SB:(A 20a/M 4.1) -- Type 1 (screwback ? ~1000 awarded); Low = 158 /High = 788; 1945-71(A 20b/M 4.2) -- Type 2.1 (pinback - ~700 awarded); Low = 835/High = 2006; 1971-2002Type 2.2 (unnumbered, coarse manufacture); 2002?Is there an intermediate form between the last two?? Nasty low quality but numbered? Parallel to other orders??
Dolf Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 Welcome to the #1 site on Mongolian awards! Good to see you here!!What we have, to date, on the SB:(A 20a/M 4.1) -- Type 1 (screwback ? ~1000 awarded); Low = 158 /High = 788; 1945-71(A 20b/M 4.2) -- Type 2.1 (pinback - ~700 awarded); Low = 835/High = 2006; 1971-2002Type 2.2 (unnumbered, coarse manufacture); 2002?Is there an intermediate form between the last two?? Nasty low quality but numbered? Parallel to other orders??Ed,Not all the S-B type 2.2 are unnumbered. But I can't obviously guarantee that those numbered I've seen wasn't "home made" by some dealers...I know these are currently awarded in Mongolia, have read it in Mongolian online news, so those issued are logically most certainly officially numbered.DolfPS: Email(s) sent...
Vatjan Posted March 17, 2006 Author Posted March 17, 2006 Shouldn't we call Type 2.2 rather Type 3? I agree it is also a pinback, but seeing that the metal content is definately different I would opt for Type 3. What do you guys think?
Ed_Haynes Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 Shouldn't we call Type 2.2 rather Type 3? I agree it is also a pinback, but seeing that the metal content is definately different I would opt for Type 3. What do you guys think?The minute I entered this, I started thinking as you do. Make it "Type 3" then!
Dolf Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 Shouldn't we call Type 2.2 rather Type 3? I agree it is also a pinback, but seeing that the metal content is definately different I would opt for Type 3. What do you guys think?Jan,I agree 100%.It's indeed a completely different type. The metal, the enamel (this one is cold enamel, not hot enamel as before) and the period, so definetely a type 3 instead.Good point mentioning it, buddy! Dolf
GlennC Posted March 19, 2006 Posted March 19, 2006 I have 2 orders of Type 1-screwback, and 2 of Type 2- pinback.
Ed_Haynes Posted March 25, 2006 Posted March 25, 2006 May we now guess:(A 20a/M 4.1) -- Type 1 (screwback ? ~800 awarded); Low = 158, High = 788; 1945-71(A 20b/M 4.2) -- Type 2 (pinback - ~1000 awarded); Low = 835, High = 2006; 1971-2002Type 3.1 (coarse manufacture, numbered??); Low = ??, High = ??; 2002-??Type 3.2 (coarse manufacture, unnumbered -- or merely unissued?); 2002?
Dolf Posted July 23, 2006 Posted July 23, 2006 (edited) One thing it was not mentioned on this thread is, what are these Orders made of. Ed mentioned above that the more recent ones (T3) are made of brass. I also believe that the areas where on the early types there was hot enamel, it has been replaced on this new one by cold enamel and around Sukhbaatar's head it seems to be some kind of plastic blue paint or something like that.Now, what about the early ones? Gold, silver, hot enamel. And Sukhbaatar's head? Platinium? White gold (as mentioned on Dr. Battushig's book)? And around Sukhbaatar's head?Dolf Edited July 23, 2006 by Dolf
fjcp Posted July 23, 2006 Posted July 23, 2006 One thing it was not mentioned on this thread is, what are these Orders made of. Ed mentioned above that the more recent ones (T3) are made of brass. I also believe that the areas where on the early types there was hot enamel, it has been replaced on this new one by cold enamel and around Sukhbaatar's head it seems to be some kind of plastic blue paint or something like that.Now, what about the early ones? Gold, silver, hot enamel. And Sukhbaatar's head? Platinium? White gold (as mentioned on Dr. Battushig's book)? And around Sukhbaatar's head?DolfCheck out this thread Dolf... It mentions what all the orders and medals are made of..JCnew book thread
Dolf Posted July 23, 2006 Posted July 23, 2006 (edited) Check out this thread Dolf... It mentions what all the orders and medals are made of..JCnew book threadJC,It does?! Sorry but I just re-checked and can't read that info systematised in any of the posts!If you mean in the pics of one of the books, well, I can't read whatever language that is, either Russian or Mongolian And even those symbols for different metals... man, it's been at least a century I studied that in school and as I went into other litterary areas I guess I completely forgot all about that Anyway, the idea was to mention it for each award, in these threads dedicated to an individual award, where types, variations, etc are also listed, see what I mean. It's also useful info, I guess. Thanks anyway,DolfPS: Oh, sorry, just noticed that Jan put the translation of those symbols at the end of Post #13 on that thread! So if I got it right, for the O.S-B, it would be gold, silver, platina (Sukhbaatar's head?) + hot enamel. Just like Soviet Order of Lenin? And what is that gray area around his head? Gray enamel?Thanks! Edited July 23, 2006 by Dolf
Albert Posted July 24, 2006 Posted July 24, 2006 (edited) Order of Sukhe Bator Type 1 (Screwback)......541 1966 Bagramjan, Ivan Hristoforovitsh, Marshal USSR542 1966 Vasilevskij, Aleksandr Mihailovitsh, Marshal USSR......Hello Gentlemen,Do we by any chance know who was awarded Nr. 540?Thanks and best regards,Albert Edited July 24, 2006 by Albert
Dolf Posted July 24, 2006 Posted July 24, 2006 Hello Gentlemen,Do we by any chance know who was awarded Nr. 540?Thanks and best regards,AlbertAlbert,As far as I know, from the lists I have, such info is (still) unknown.Dolf
Albert Posted July 24, 2006 Posted July 24, 2006 Albert,As far as I know, from the lists I have, such info is (still) unknown.DolfThanks Dolf. Still, if this info surfaces, I'd be most interested in finding any info on the awardee. The reason is that I will be adding this O of SB to my collection. Actually, this will be the first Mongolian award in my collection.Best regards,Albert
Dolf Posted July 24, 2006 Posted July 24, 2006 Albert,Nice Way to go Check the Forum regularly, as if there's any new info it will be certainly listed here by the data experts Dolf
Albert Posted July 24, 2006 Posted July 24, 2006 Albert,Nice Way to go Check the Forum regularly, as if there's any new info it will be certainly listed here by the data experts Dolf Thanks again, Dolf! Will do Albert
Vatjan Posted July 24, 2006 Author Posted July 24, 2006 Welcome to the forum Albert, that's a great way to start a Mongolian collection Jan
Albert Posted July 25, 2006 Posted July 25, 2006 (edited) Welcome to the forum Albert, that's a great way to start a Mongolian collection JanThanks Jan, I certainly won't be able to afford collecting Mongolian awards but would like to own a couple of them Edited July 25, 2006 by Albert
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