Bob Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 I'm going to keep track here a bit of pricing developments specifically of SB's. May be interesting to look back on 1-2 years from now as a general indicator for Mongolian awards.Recently soldSCREWBACK- USD 1.680, nr 644, Nota BeneAnd now then the starting point for future, CURRENTLY FOR SALE (please add if I missed some):PIN BACK- USD 1.950, nr 860, www.russianglory.com - EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.100 USD), nr 1183, www.huesken.comSCREWBACK- USD 2.900, nr 640, www.collectrussia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Excerpted from Bob's really useful master list of serial numbers and dates of award (see http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9917 and THANKS, BOB! ), here are known data points for the Order of Sukhbaatar (A20):1 194124 194631 1949158 24/10/1957166 29/05/1957340 1961341 1961342 1961343 1961344 1961423 28/11/1962470 13/12/1963541 1966542 1966558 1966586 1968588 1968589 1968591 1968612 10/11/1968642 12/08/1969684 15/10/1969692 1969803 05/07/1971919 1971922 1971923 1971924 1971925 1971927 1971928 1971931 1971932 1971933 1971937 1971989 19731,123 19751,255 14/12/19751,335 19781,404 22/10/19801,412 02/12/19801,462 08/06/19811,463 19811,465 19811,491 09/07/19811,530 19811,532 19811,548 19811,562 19811,715 1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Recently soldPINBACK- USD 1.870, nr 1.918, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007SCREWBACK- USD 1.680, nr 644, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2007Currently for salePIN BACK- USD 1.950, nr 860, www.russianglory.com - EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.100 USD), nr 1183, www.huesken.com- USD 1.880, nr 1.785 (boxed), Nota BeneSCREWBACK- USD 2.900, nr 640, www.collectrussia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Recently soldPINBACK- USD 1.870, nr 1.918, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007- USD 1.880, nr 1.785, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007 (boxed)SCREWBACK- USD 1.680, nr 644, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2007Currently for salePIN BACK- USD 1.950, nr 860, www.russianglory.com - EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.100 USD), nr 1183, www.huesken.comSCREWBACK- USD 2.900, nr 640, www.collectrussia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Thanks for the updates, Bob. While they're now an OBSCENE amount of money, given the quality and small numbers awarded, I think they're still a good deal, even though a lot of them were long service awards.I hope to have some information on potential research options in a few weeks. Shall advise.Also thinking about a SB exhibit at this year's OMSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 While enjoying the weight and beauty of a newly arrived SB in my hand, I realized that these were not with Russian mintmarks... for some reason, that surprises me. Why would the Polar Stars have them yet these not?Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised. Too many mysteries... with Mongolia being such a small country by population you'd hope that there'd be an easier path to getting answers.Oh well, patience is a virtue right:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjcp Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Early communist North Korea orders are also un-mintmarked, although definitely made by the Soviet mint.-While enjoying the weight and beauty of a newly arrived SB in my hand, I realized that these were not with Russian mintmarks... for some reason, that surprises me. Why would the Polar Stars have them yet these not?Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised. Too many mysteries... with Mongolia being such a small country by population you'd hope that there'd be an easier path to getting answers.Oh well, patience is a virtue right:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Bob,It may be a small country but don't I envy you! This award is a cumulative history of 2,000 years of a unique civilasation. What you have in your posession is an order af magnitude bigger than the 'idols' of our modern culture, i.e. a low calorie diet etc. Treasure it! Buy the way, I do not own one of those.Sergei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 While enjoying the weight and beauty of a newly arrived SB in my hand, I realized that these were not with Russian mintmarks... for some reason, that surprises me. Why would the Polar Stars have them yet these not?Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised. Too many mysteries... with Mongolia being such a small country by population you'd hope that there'd be an easier path to getting answers.Oh well, patience is a virtue right:)No, Bob. An interesting point, though. I have always assumed (with some evidence, to be presented later) that they were manufactured in a Friendly Northern Country, the absence of the familiar МОНЕТНЫЙ ДВОР (or some such) is noteworthy. Part of the delightful deviance of the Polar Star is the presence or absence of a maker's mark, and that (too) may tell us something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Recently soldPINBACK- USD 1.870, nr 1.918, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007- USD 1.880, nr 1.785, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007 (boxed)- USD 1.950, nr 860, www.russianglory.com - MARCH 2007SCREWBACK- USD 1.680, nr 644, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2006Currently for salePIN BACK- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.100 USD), nr 1183, www.huesken.comSCREWBACK- USD 2.900, nr 640, www.collectrussia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Interesting data, Bob. Thanks! Pretty much says where the price threshold line lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new world Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Interesting data, Bob. Thanks! Pretty much says where the price threshold line lies.Bob, I recall Dmitry Markov had a pinback for sale recently. Does anyone know what it was sold for?William Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Bob, I recall Dmitry Markov had a pinback for sale recently. Does anyone know what it was sold for?WilliamAre you sure? I thought Dmitry Markov had stepped out of Mongolian awards a year or so ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 That is what he told me, Bob. I think he regrets it now, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 That is what he told me, Bob. I think he regrets it now, though.Well, it's never too late for him to get back in... although that would probably result in the high-end gaps in my collection becoming even more unattainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new world Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Are you sure? I thought Dmitry Markov had stepped out of Mongolian awards a year or so ago.May be not that recenlty. He sure had one for sale last year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 While reviewing this thread with much admiration for the beautiful items, I couldn't help but think "actually, in the greater scheme of things, these SB's aren't that expensive":- arguably the most beautifully designed award on the planet- high quality of manufacture- made out of precious metal- numbered (offering research potential)- very few publically available for purchase at any point in time- and, last but not least, max roughly 2.000 in existenceNow... translate that to a Soviet award of similar stature (albeit with a larger "collecting" market) and I can't help but believe that in the not so distant future we'll be seeing 4-5K for an SB.6 months ago or so I prediced 3K by end of 2006... I was wrong (although only screwback available from dealer is at 2.9K). Still, looking back 1.5 - 2 years ago when these were for sale for well less than 1K... even a "slowdown" in the rate of increasing price level will still mean a dramatic increase. Add opening up of the archives to the recipe and I think we have a pretty explosive mix... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 I know of several for sale in Ulanbaatar, though most dealers are hoarding them just now, expecting a major price rise. Was shown two (both screwback) with prices attached: $2500 for # 716 and a very silly $15,000 for # 8 (though the recipient was probably a "someone"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 With those kind of wholesale prices, it makes it perfectly reasonable to assume that here in the west at the end of the supply chain, well >3K will be the norm going forward. Although I agree, 15K is a "bit" over the top Will be interesting to find out moving forward how many of these SB's were awarded for something more exotic than long service (whether military or public service... such as herding cattle for 15 years) and if the archives contain more than just a name / award date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 RECENTLY SOLDpinback- USD 1.870, nr 1.918, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007- USD 1.880, nr 1.785, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007 (boxed)- USD 1.950, nr 860, www.russianglory.com - MARCH 2007- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.100 USD), nr 1183, www.huesken.com - MARCH 2007 screwback- USD 1.680, nr 644, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2006CURRENTLY FOR SALESCREWBACK- USD 2.900, nr 640, www.collectrussia.com=========================Now... from 1.680 USD (screwback mind you) to 2.100 USD (pinback) is 25% inflation in 4 months... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 http://home.kyodo.co.jp/modules/fstStory/i...?storyid=218231 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 Holy smokes, look at the size of his hands!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 Oh yessss!! I was struck by how popular sumo seems to be on Mongolian TV, it is seen as similar enough to Mongolian wrestling to hold some viewer interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 RECENTLY SOLDpinback- USD 1.870, nr 1.918, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007- USD 1.880, nr 1.785, Nota Bene - JANUARY 2007 (boxed)- USD 1.950, nr 860, www.russianglory.com - MARCH 2007- EURO 1.600 (roughly 2.100 USD), nr 1183, www.huesken.com - MARCH 2007 screwback- USD 1.680, nr 644, Nota Bene - NOVEMBER 2006CURRENTLY FOR SALESCREWBACK- USD 2.900, nr 640, www.collectrussia.comPINBACK- USD 2.150, nr 1.837, www.collectrussia.comSo... market price on pinback just went up again vs. a month ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted April 6, 2007 Author Share Posted April 6, 2007 While enjoying the weight and beauty of a newly arrived SB in my hand, I realized that these were not with Russian mintmarks... for some reason, that surprises me. Why would the Polar Stars have them yet these not?Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised. Too many mysteries... with Mongolia being such a small country by population you'd hope that there'd be an easier path to getting answers.Oh well, patience is a virtue right:)SB's were awarded from 1945 onwards, only OPS's dating from before 1941 were mintmarked, as were all the other orders from that period.So at least in this case Polar Stars are no exception to the rule Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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