Soviet Can any identify this hat?

[bigjarofwasps]

Hi Guys,

Can anyone tell me anything about this hat? I think its navy, it appears to be Soviet as apposed to Russian, but who would have worn it?

[Hauptmann]

Soviet naval officers cap... 1960's to the end of the SU I believe. Junior officer ranks. Hope this helps.

Dan

[bigjarofwasps]

Soviet naval officers cap... 1960's to the end of the SU I believe. Junior officer ranks. Hope this helps.

Dan

Cracking many thanks, I assume a junior officer is like our petty officer?

[Paul R]

More like a Lt-Capt(Ensign through Lieutenent )

[Hauptmann]

I believe this one would have been from Jr. Lt. up through Captain Lt. Here's a rank chart:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_ranks_of_the_Soviet_Union

Captain 3rd Rank up to Captain 1st Rank would have scrambled eggs on the brim of the cap, and flag officers would have more such embroidery on the brim.

http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_04_2010/post-873-127081869171.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_04_2010/post-873-127081881635.jpg

Black caps for fall/winter and white for spring/summer.

[Hauptmann]

Admiral (flag officer) caps:

http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_04_2010/post-873-127081910635.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_04_2010/post-873-127081915732.jpg

[Hauptmann]

Chief Petty Officers (CPO's) would have had a different cap badge and a black plastic chin strap instead of the gold chin cords.

Enlisted men and other Petty Officers would have worn these:

http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_04_2010/post-873-12708194705.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_04_2010/post-873-127081949375.jpg

Here's a site showing the various types of Soviet naval headgear:

http://www.undertheredstar.com/navy.htm

Hope this helps.

Dan

[bigjarofwasps]

Thanks guys thats been of great assistance. :cheers:

[seb16trs]

hello,

be carefull, on the first picture th chin strap is an ukrainian type, and the admirals visor caps are asian reproductions!

[Hauptmann]

hello,

be carefull, on the first picture th chin strap is an ukrainian type, and the admirals visor caps are asian reproductions!

Many apologies to all on the above, especially the repro ones... only ones I could find in a hurry on the web to show examples of the "scrambled egg" types. I'm not heavy into the headgear/uniforms... only have a few pieces and none of the higher ups. There's a ton of info available and I'm sure alot of that is here on GMIC if you do a search. I know there's also (or at least used to be) a site on Soviet parade uniforms of Marshals, Generals, Admirals and such but don't know what it is off hand. Again just search and you'll come up with it. I believe it's (it was?) connected to the book on the same subject which is well worth getting IMHOP by the way.

And I totally agree... you MUST be careful with these things as there are now a ton of reproductions and fakes out there. I've seen folks convert original pieces say by sticking the metal scrambled eggs on the brim or even on the cap itself! Same goes for uniforms. They change insignia, pop ODM's, etc., on them to make them look more impressive and try to sell them for a small fortune. Even if they're cheap if they're messed with the best that can be hoped for is to restore them to their original condition with the proper insignia, etc. So unless one is looking for such a project be careful, do your research, get references, look at original examples in person if at all possible and by all means double check with your fellow GMIC members for advice and a (hopefully) thumbs up before you spend your hard earned money.

Dan

Edited April 10, 2010 by Hauptman