Ralph A Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 Markings. That's it. Camera put away. You can come out now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 NFW!!! WEISS made that daisy-L robust "Czech" lion? Wowwweeeee!!! Is it filed on all the edges, or better than that?My FREAKY all silver/frosted Weiss has the cipher up onto the rim:[attachmentid=19616]no daisies!! Looks like small intestines, maybe, on the lower bit!! Weiss is my least favorite maker, for general "low bid" work like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 Whereas, MVK1s and 2s had a one piece hubcap, cipher stamped out as one piece and enamelled-- usually right over the too low cross atop the crown's orb:[attachmentid=19617][attachmentid=19618]These are both from MVK1s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 The cross-less, one-piece MVKs are smoother edged on the ciphers because the enamel laps up all around uniformly, without the expected rough edges of teensy, tiny, hand fitted separate disk devices.From an MVK2XmKr[attachmentid=19619]Whereas on the real silver M1905-13 MVK2s, without enamel, the center devices (silver for this class) were ALSO separate pieces like the Order's cipher and lion. Being silver, presumably "easier" to work on at this microscopic level than softer gold. I doubt very much there were more than say 300 of these, so the "fit" is of much higher quality than even the wartime Orders: [attachmentid=19620] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notned Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 Nice Bar Chris!This thread is great! it has turned out to be a nice little informative thread....thankyou gents for your contributions! RegardsPaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hunter Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 ...and my pursuit of a marked Leser on a bar continues... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Okay... time to prepare the crow.... a one piece hubcap !!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Well, it might just be a one-piece......... but it sure as heck is still real gold one-piece schiffer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 The whole thing is soooo tightly wounted. I begin to fee like the guy who posted that he hates bars... what I wouldnt give to be able to examine that medal off the bar :-(.... just a thought, not a threat !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Not so fast buster!!! Notice the over-filings which have pared off bits of the[attachmentid=19717]teensy tiny hand-worked separately applied cipher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hunter Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Rick, is the pierced crown unique to Jakob Leser? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 Gentlemen, It's been a while since we have had a good old fashioned discussion about a particular decoration and it's various forms and variations. With good participation and sharing of information, we could build a valuable reference base. Let's stay away from something that only one or two of us, if any, would be interested in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 and go with something that many of us have and might be able to contribute something about. So, why not try the Bavarian Military Merit Cross? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 Although sometimes referred to as 4th class, as far as I know, these crosses were 3rd class pieces made out of zinc and war metal. They were made and awarded from 1918-1920. I do not know who made these crosses and as far as I can tell, this one is unmarked. Have fun Gentlemen - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avadski Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 Although sometimes referred to as 4th class, as far as I know, these crosses were 3rd class pieces made out of zinc and war metal. They were made and awarded from 1918-1920. I do not know who made these crosses and as far as I can tell, this one is unmarked. Have fun Gentlemen - Hello, only Deschler made those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avadski Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 You definitely got my attention this morning with this topic. I collect only Bavarian MVKs, 3rd form . This is one of my favorites. Late 2nd class made by Hemmerle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avadski Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 Ever wondered how these were made? Let's have look inside (autopsy performed on destroyed 3rd class by Leser...someone was upgrading it from MVK with swords to MVK without swords...or was it downgrading?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stukapilot Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 What do you think about the producer of this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stukapilot Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 It seems to be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beau Newman Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 That's a variant I haven't seen before. The central medallions appear rather large in relation to the rest of the cross and the swords seem to be attached without the rivet normally seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stukapilot Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 (edited) That's a variant I haven't seen before. The central medallions appear rather large in relation to the rest of the cross and the swords seem to be attached without the rivet normally seen. The central medallion is usual size but the arms are smaller! Sure the swords attached without the rivet. The loop is not a standart one also. Edited April 28, 2010 by stukapilot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avadski Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 Definitely postwar maker and Most likely Steinhauer & Luck (Godet can be the case as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stukapilot Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 Definitely postwar maker and Most likely Steinhauer & Luck (Godet can be the case as well). Do you have the list of the makers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avadski Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 War time - Lauer, Hemmerle, Leser, Deschler, Weiss Postwar - Godet, S&L I'm not aware of any other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinpon590 Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 War time - Lauer, Hemmerle, Leser, Deschler, Weiss Postwar - Godet, S&L I'm not aware of any other. Can someone explain how to identify each type ? I possess 5 or 6 cross, and I'd like to know the maker ! :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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