Bavaria What do you know about Bavarian MVOs and MVKs

[Ralph A]

Markings.

That's it. Camera put away. You can come out now.

[Guest Rick Research]

NFW!!! WEISS made that daisy-L robust "Czech" lion? Wowwweeeee!!! Is it filed on all the edges, or better than that?

My FREAKY all silver/frosted Weiss has the cipher up onto the rim:

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no daisies!! Looks like small intestines, maybe, on the lower bit!! Weiss is my least favorite maker, for general "low bid" work like this.

[Guest Rick Research]

Whereas, MVK1s and 2s had a one piece hubcap, cipher stamped out as one piece and enamelled-- usually right over the too low cross atop the crown's orb:

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These are both from MVK1s

[Guest Rick Research]

The cross-less, one-piece MVKs are smoother edged on the ciphers because the enamel laps up all around uniformly, without the expected rough edges of teensy, tiny, hand fitted separate disk devices.

From an MVK2XmKr

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Whereas on the real silver M1905-13 MVK2s, without enamel, the center devices (silver for this class) were ALSO separate pieces like the Order's cipher and lion. Being silver, presumably "easier" to work on at this microscopic level than softer gold. I doubt very much there were more than say 300 of these, so the "fit" is of much higher quality than even the wartime Orders:

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[notned]

Nice Bar Chris!

This thread is great! it has turned out to be a nice little informative thread....thankyou gents for your contributions!

Regards

Paul

[Bob Hunter]

...and my pursuit of a marked Leser on a bar continues...

[Chris Boonzaier]

Okay... time to prepare the crow.... a one piece hubcap !!!!!!!

[Stogieman]

Well, it might just be a one-piece......... but it sure as heck is still real gold one-piece schiffer

[Chris Boonzaier]

The whole thing is soooo tightly wounted. I begin to fee like the guy who posted that he hates bars... what I wouldnt give to be able to examine that medal off the bar :-(.... just a thought, not a threat !!!

[Guest Rick Research]

Not so fast buster!!!

Notice the over-filings which have pared off bits of the

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teensy tiny hand-worked separately applied cipher.

[Bob Hunter]

Rick, is the pierced crown unique to Jakob Leser?

[Wild Card]

Gentlemen,

It's been a while since we have had a good old fashioned discussion about a particular decoration and it's various forms and variations.

With good participation and sharing of information, we could build a valuable reference base. Let's stay away from something that only

one or two of us, if any, would be interested in...

[Wild Card]

and go with something that many of us have and might be able to contribute something about.

So, why not try the Bavarian Military Merit Cross?

[Wild Card]

Although sometimes referred to as 4th class, as far as I know, these crosses were 3rd class pieces made out of zinc and war metal.

They were made and awarded from 1918-1920. I do not know who made these crosses and as far as I can tell, this one is unmarked.

Have fun Gentlemen -

[avadski]

Although sometimes referred to as 4th class, as far as I know, these crosses were 3rd class pieces made out of zinc and war metal.

They were made and awarded from 1918-1920. I do not know who made these crosses and as far as I can tell, this one is unmarked.

Have fun Gentlemen -

Hello, only Deschler made those.

[avadski]

You definitely got my attention this morning with this topic. I collect only Bavarian MVKs, 3rd form .

This is one of my favorites. Late 2nd class made by Hemmerle.

[avadski]

Ever wondered how these were made?

Let's have look inside (autopsy performed on destroyed 3rd class by Leser...someone was upgrading it from MVK with swords to MVK without swords...or was it downgrading?)

[stukapilot]

What do you think about the producer of this one?

[stukapilot]

It seems to be interesting.

[Beau Newman]

That's a variant I haven't seen before. The central medallions appear rather large in relation to the rest of the cross and the swords seem to be attached without the rivet normally seen.

[stukapilot]

That's a variant I haven't seen before. The central medallions appear rather large in relation to the rest of the cross and the swords seem to be attached without the rivet normally seen.

The central medallion is usual size but the arms are smaller! Sure the swords attached without the rivet. The loop is not a standart one also.

Edited April 28, 2010 by stukapilot

[avadski]

Definitely postwar maker and Most likely Steinhauer & Luck (Godet can be the case as well).

[stukapilot]

Definitely postwar maker and Most likely Steinhauer & Luck (Godet can be the case as well).

Do you have the list of the makers?

[avadski]

War time - Lauer, Hemmerle, Leser, Deschler, Weiss

Postwar - Godet, S&L

I'm not aware of any other.

[pinpon590]

War time - Lauer, Hemmerle, Leser, Deschler, Weiss

Postwar - Godet, S&L

I'm not aware of any other.

Can someone explain how to identify each type ? I possess 5 or 6 cross, and I'd like to know the maker !

:cheers: