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11 hours ago, JapanX said:

Ali, is it possible for you to read this inscription? 

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It's not the name of the maker.It's date 1339 not sure Hijri or Shamsi.Most likely the name of the owner of the Medal.Gholam Reza Khan

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Hello, the "swan mark" is NOT a manufacturer mark. In France every item that is to be sold on auction has to be certified by the "Bureau de Garantie" = Office of Guaranty , in the meaning of guaranty

These are some of my favorite Lion and Sun order medals that are in the Spada Collection on exhibit in the Legion of Honor museum in Paris France. They are early 19th century examples loaded with jewe

Two more from the Spada collection on exhibit in the Legion of Honor Museum, Paris France. Beautiful workmanship and very rare! The second medal down borrows a lot of elements from the Turkish order m

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Photograph of Doctor Inspector Lucien Marie Victor GEORGES. (1866 - 1924). He was appointed Inspector Doctor in 1919. He directed the Health Service of the 20th Army Corps. He is wearing the photograph of the 1915 model outfit with embroidered kepi. The kepi is made of acanthus leaves mixed with the epidermis snake, all embroidered on red velvet. The tunic has two silver stars at the bottom of the sleeves, as well as red velvet collar attributes representing the caduceus emblem of the Health Corps. Note the small buttons at the bottom of the sleeves to raise them during operations performed in military hospitals. The decorations present on the tunic are as follows: Officer of the Legion of Honor, War Cross 1914-1918, Colonial Medal, Commander of the Lion and the Sun of Persia

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11 hours ago, Dr Ali Kolahdooz said:

It's not the name of the maker.It's date 1339 not sure Hijri or Shamsi.Most likely the name of the owner of the Medal.Gholam Reza Khan

Many thanks Ali! 

For years I am trying to identify unknown persian maker of these lions. Still no luck.

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As I said it's not the maker's name. it's just the name of an unknown person.Unfortunately it was and is very common for people to write their name on monuments, bank notes and important/popular places.

There are 100s of names on the Persepolis stones sadly :( 

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C. F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim was a very well known German manfacturer of awards.  Besides German honors, the company manufactured a very wide range of decorations from Bulgaria to Zanzibar in full size and miniature.   Jacob's Court Jewellers of the World provides more details. 

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56 minutes ago, 922F said:

C. F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim was a very well known German manfacturer of awards.  Besides German honors, the company manufactured a very wide range of decorations from Bulgaria to Zanzibar in full size and miniature.   Jacob's Court Jewellers of the World provides more details. 

I don't have the book,If you do can you please share a photo of Zimmermann's bio please.

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8 hours ago, Dr Ali Kolahdooz said:

found new Sun and Lion Medal maker: C.F Zimmermann.

Any more info on the maker?German maker 

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I just don't understand why the owner of this medal insist this medal was made in Belgium by Zimmerman order!!!!

Any idea gentlemen?

 

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This is strange.

Even reverse clearly states that badge was made by C.F. Zimmermann from Pforzheim.

Do you have a better pictures of obverse and reverse (where suspension is fully visible)?

Any aditional marks (like Silber, 900, etc)?

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The Zimmermann center resembles Austrian examples.

Do not have access to Jacob's book now, perhaps someone else can supply information from it.  I remember Jacob reporting Zimmermann as being active from at least the 1930's, making German, Romanian and Bulgarian awards. Rick Research believed Zimmermann began much earlier maybe late 1880's-90's.  Rick's thought now makes more sense since this Sun & Lion dates before the 1930's! [Use of term Hofjuwelier another indicator]

The factory was destroyed during WW II--damaged items from that factory debris have been offered for sale for at least 5 years.  They include full size and miniature decorations from various German states', Czech, Zanzibar, Yugoslavia, Greece, and many other countries.  Zimmermann's held LDO and Lieferant number 20 [varient number L52] from 1941-45.

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Jacob only mentions that Zimmermann made Romanian and Bulgarian orders since the 1930s. He doesn't really specify - depending on how you read it - when the company started.

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1 hour ago, 922F said:

The Zimmermann center resembles Austrian examples.

 

No, it doesn`t.

Nothing even remotely common. 

Rothe.

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V. Mayer’s Söhne

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43 minutes ago, JapanX said:

No, it doesn`t.

Nothing even remotely common. 

Rothe.

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V. Mayer’s Söhne

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I agree with JapanX. This to me looks like a Persian made L&S. The painting and ray treatment as well as the metal work, look Persian. Sometimes I’ve seen Persian made L&S medals that have a European maker plate attached at a later date. 

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I`d say the closest (by iconography) will be Saniolmamalek, Tegran.

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Another known variation from Saniolmamalek.

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I also compared and come to conclusion of saniolamamalek.

Could it be a forged Medal?Like a saniolmamalek made medal lately presented as zimmemran by adding his name?

the other only photo I can get

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;) 

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2 hours ago, Dr Ali Kolahdooz said:

 Could it be a forged Medal?Like a saniolmamalek made medal lately presented as zimmemran by adding his name?

 

Zimmermann could use Saniolmamalek tablet as a model.

I`ve seen this type of lion in german medal bar once.

Well, let`s wait and see if I we can find another example of Zimmermann work. 

Then we can make much more reliable conclusion.

Best,

Nick

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Hi Guys, 

I found a photo of an Persian official who was commissioned to Tbilisi with an amazing L&S  medal we have never seen before.

I guess it was custom made by a Russian jeweler.

He wears a lot of medals with crown on them!!!! 

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Mirza Reza Khan (1846-1939) was a Persian diplomat and first secretary at the consulate in Tiflis where he intervened as a mediator for the release of Turkish citizens. He was later appointed to the consulate in Russia where he attended the coronation of Tsar Alexander III, then ambassador to Saint Petersburg (1895), Persian delegate to the Hague Peace Conference in 1899, then appointed Minister Plenipotentiary in Constantinople where he remained for five years; later he moved to Monaco and was recalled to Persia in 1912-14 where he served as Minister of Justice and then of Education. He was friends with Pierre Loti and wrote various books, including Perles d'Orient (1904).

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Dr. Ali,

A great photograph. I can see Orders from Belgium, France, Monaco, Russia, Spain, Sweden, Turkey (Ottoman) as well as the Persian awards. I cannot identify the star at the bottom left and the partially obscured one on the bottom right or the two uppermost medals.

Owain

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