Bilco Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 Hi Gents, The first acqusition of 2013 .... .... a pretty average Official Type 2 US vic .... but named around the whole edge. The name is J STANLEY GORDON U.S. NAVY Q.M. 1st CLASS. There is a tiny C after the U and a tiny G after the S, so I guess he was in the Coast Guard. The engraving is very elegantly done. I know that the Navy regs allowed the recipients to have the medal named at their own expense, but I haven't seen many examples. Please post them if you have them. Any comments welcome. Bill
Jean-Michel Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 Hi Bill, This is a great acquisition Regards Jean-Michel
lambert Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Now that is a good buy!! beautiful Congratulations Bill I'm back to start expanding my collection American Vic. Lambert
peron Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) Here is my American Vic...Can anyone tell me what division this soldier could have been placed?Thanks!!!!Peron Edited January 22, 2013 by peron
lambert Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Oi Peron Estes são os possíveis candidatos: 5ª, 35ª, 78ª, 79ª, 80ª, 82ª, 89ª, 90ª, 92ª Divisão ========================== This potential candidates 5th Div. 35th Div. 78th Div. 79th Div. 80th Div. 82th Div. 89th Div. 90th Div. 92th Div. Lambert
johnnymac Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 AND MAYBE SEVERAL OTHERS, Jim 4th Division, 13th, 16th & 77th Field Artillery 5th Division, 60th, 61st, 6th & 11th Infantry 5th Division, 13th, 14th & 15th Machine Gun Battalion 5th Division, 5th Ammunition Train 5th Division, 7th Engineers 5th Division, 5th Supply Train 5th Division,5th Headquarters & Military Police Co. 5th Division, 5th Sanitary Train (Ambulance Co. & Field Hospitals 17, 25, 29, 30) 30th Division, 113th, 114th & 115th Field Artillery 30th Division, 105th Ammunition Train 30th Division, 105th Trench Mortar Battery 33rd Division, 122nd, 123rd & 124th Field Artillery 33rd Division, 108th Ammunition Train 35th Division, 137th, 138th, 139th & 140th Infantry 35th Division, 129th & 130th Machine Gun Battalion 35th Division, 128th, 129th & 130th Field Artillery 35th Division, 110th Ammunition Train 35th Division, 110th Engineer Train 35th Division, 110th Field Signal Battalion 35th Division, 110th Supply Train 35th Division, 110th Trench Mortar Battery 35th Division, 35th Headquarters & Military Police Co. 35th Division, 110th Sanitary Train (Ambulance Co. Field Hospitals 137, 138, 139, 140) 36th Division, 111th Engineer Train 78th Division, 309th, 310th, 311th & 312th Infantry 78th Division, 307th, 308th & 309th Machine Gun Battalion 78th Division, 307th, 308th & 309th Field Artillery 78th Division, 303rd Field Signal Battalion 78th Division, 303rd Trench Mortar Battery 78th Division, 303rd Ammunition Train 78th Division, 303rd Supply Train 78th Division, 303rd Engineer Train 78th Division, Headquarters & Military Police Co. 78th Division, 303rd Sanitary Train (Ambulance Co. Field Hospitals 309, 310, 311, 312) 82nd Division, 325nd, 326th, 327th & 328th Infantry 82nd Division, 319th, 320th & 321st Machine Gun Battalion 82nd Division, 319th, 320th & 321st Field Artillery 82nd Division, 307th Ammunition Train 82nd Division, 307th Engineer Train 82nd Division, 307th Field Signal Battalion 82nd Division, 307th Trench Mortar Battery 82nd Division, 307th Supply Train 82nd Division, Headquarters & Military Police Co. 82nd Division, 307th Sanitary Train (Ambulance Co. Field Hospitals 325, 326, 327, 328) 85th Division, 328th & 329th Field Artillery 85th Division, 310th Engineer 2nd Battalion 89th Division, 353rd, 354th, 355th & 356th Infantry 89th Division, 340th, 341st & 342nd Machine Gun Battalion 89th Division, 314th Engineer 89th Division, 314th Field Signal Battalion 89th Division, 314th Trench Mortar Battery 89th Division, 314th Supply Train 89th Division, 314th Headquarters & Military Police Co. 89th Division, 314th Sanitary Train (Ambulance Co. Field Hospitals 353, 354, 355, 356) 90th Division, 357th, 358th, 359th & 360th Infantry 90th Division, 343rd, 344th & 345th Machine Gun Battalion 90th Division, 315th Engineer 90th Division, 315th Field Signal Battalion 90th Division, 315th Supply Train 90th Division, 315th Headquarters & Military Police Co. 90th Division, 315th Sanitary Train (Ambulance Co. Field Hospitals 357, 358, 359, 360) Balloon Company 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 11th, 12th, 16th, 42nd, 43rd Air Park 2nd, 3rd, 4th Air Service / Photo Section No. 2, 5, 6 Coastal Artillery Corps / Regiment 24nd, 43rd, 57th, 59th, 60th, 65th Engineers 15th Aero Squadron / Observation, 9th, 11th, 20th & 24th Aero Squadron / Pursuit 13th Engineers / Quarry 28, Engineers / Service Battalion 537, 604 Engineers / Water Supply 26, Engineers 17, 21, 37, Field Signal Battalion 317th & 319th Motor Transportation Corps / 414th Motor Supply Train Motor Transportation Corps / 418th Motor Supply Train Motor Transportation Corps / Machine Shop Truck Unit No.322 Ordnance Department / Mobile Ordnance Repair Shop 303rd Pioneer Infantry 53rd Quartermaster Corps / 301st Field Remount Squadron Signal Corps / Telegraph Bn. 55th & 401st Tank Corps / Battalion 344th & 345th U.S. Army Ambulance Sector 520th, 521st, 560th, 569th, 570th, 571st, 590th, 599th, 601st, 602nd, U.S. Army Ambulance Sector 602nd, 603rd, 604th,
lambert Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Excellent! thank you for complete information. lambert
Bilco Posted February 6, 2013 Posted February 6, 2013 Hi Gents, An interesting discussion on the wire-ring suspension US vics, with authoritative input from Johnnymac on the US MIlitaria Forum - http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/167263-rare-wwi-victory-medal-w-ring-top-some-information-questions/page__hl__%2Bww1+%2Bvictory+%2Bmedal Bill
johnnymac Posted February 6, 2013 Posted February 6, 2013 (edited) Thanks Bill, There many facts which I do not which to add at this time, but the wire loop was never an issue medal. " It is always good to give ground when you are not going forward", Jim Edited February 6, 2013 by johnnymac
IrishGunner Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 (edited) Off subject just for a moment.To AllI need some help on identifying: 1) The other collar insignia next to the collar disk with crossed cannons. 2) Also the eagle to the right of the Victory medal. 3) Last the medal to the left of the Victory medal and the 2 ribbons above.I just purchased this photo and it is signed by a Sgt. Alex Arch, 6th Field Artillery, 1St Division. He was credited pulling the lanyard on a French 75mm and firing the first U.S. Artillery piece in WWI for the AEF.Thanks JM JM, It just so happens, I can answer about the insignia next to the crossed cannons on his collar. It's the Regimental Insignia for the 6th Field Artillery! Which just happens to be my regiment - and thus my avatar! Rob's answer about the Mexican Service Medal might be incorrect though. I think it's the Mexican Border Service Medal - which the 6th Field Artillery definately performed around 1916 from El Paso. As for the eagle on his chest - no idea. Maybe a local medal of some sort for veterans. This is a great photo (I added it to this post since it didn't come forward in your quote very weel)! I envy you as I collect anything I can get my hands on to the 6th Field Artillery. If you ever decide to part with it...let me know. I presume his 5-bar Victory is the standard for the 1st Infantry Division; probably difficult to read the actual bars in the photo though. Edited February 18, 2013 by IrishGunner
johnnymac Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 (edited) Thanks for that information IrishGunner, He is Sgt. Alex L. Arch of C Co. 6th Field Artillery, 1st Division. He was Credited with pulling the lanyard on the French 75mm which fired the first shot in anger of the AEF against German forces. It occurred at Xanrey in the Luneville sector of Lorraine on October 23, 1917. I must add the photo is signed by Alex, Jim Edited February 18, 2013 by johnnymac
johnnymac Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 I believe this to be the unknown medal. I do not have a reverse side photo.
RobW Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 To all, These particular bars to the US vic have started to appear on the online auction sites. Any thoughts from our US readership as to the origin of this latest addition to the never-ending number of varieties to the US vic. Regards, Rob
johnnymac Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 To tell the truth Rob, I have most of them either on ebay or on different sites in the UK? Without a doubt they are modern, thanks for posting, Jim
Bilco Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 Hi Gents, Another interesting thread on the US Militaria Forum - http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/168889-latest-reproduction-clasps/page__hl__+ww1%20+clasp#entry1285169 The thread starts with fake clasps (including the ones mentioned by Rob in post # 416), but then goes on to the reissue US vics and their makers. It was started by Tim B and has the usual authoritative input from Johnnymac. There are web sites for two of the makers of the reissues mentioned: Graco (now part of Northweat Territorial Mint) https://store.nwtmint.com/product_details/4475/World_War_I_Victory_Full_Size_Medal/ Ira Green Inc http://www.iragreen.com/view/892/3079/ Bill
johnnymac Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 Hi Bilco, Neither of these two sites show the correct government issue contract medals. These two medals are the type sold to general public. Graco (now part of Northweat Territorial Mint) https://store.nwtmin...ull_Size_Medal/ and Ira Green Inc http://www.iragreen.com/view/892/3079/ And, might I add this about your posting "Another interesting thread on US Militaria Forum". I bow my head to Tim B as he is the master of information in so many different types of medals. Many different medal forums would be very boring without his input. My interest lay deep in only the Victory medal, where his as I have found is deep in many types of medals.
Bilco Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 Hi Jim, Many thanks for the correction - are there pictures of the proper Government issue items by these two companies anywhere on the internet? I just Googled the names having read the thread. Tim B is responsible for this section's existance and was its first Moderator. He gave me great help and encouragement when I started collecting the vics. Bill
Bilco Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 Hi Gents, An interesting item on eBay - a Cambrai clasp with pin attachment - item # 160993973593 Said to be 'old stock' from a closed-down dealer in Paris. Bill
RobW Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 (edited) Hi Gents, An interesting item on eBay - a Cambrai clasp with pin attachment - item # 160993973593 Said to be 'old stock' from a closed-down dealer in Paris. Bill Hello Bill, This same vendor had a clasp that is quite shiny and appears to be of recent manufacture. The lettering appears to be much more squat and elongated compared to the official strikes. Regards, Rob Edited April 6, 2013 by RobW
johnnymac Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 Rob both are good late issue clasps. Some are marked on the reverse side, Jim
johnnymac Posted April 28, 2013 Posted April 28, 2013 (edited) This is insane! The ribbon is repro- type used by "a known" after market venter. The Overseas clasp is an Army style clasp repro not a - Navy style. England clasp is from an Army original from what i can see. France clasps is a known French made Army style repro. The Transport is an original mint "Late" issue clasp. And it has seven hours to go until it ends and it is up to $320 USD or 207 GBP "insane". ebay # 221217686746 http://www.ebay.com/itm/221217686746?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1426.l2649 Edited April 28, 2013 by johnnymac
RobW Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 Hello Bill, It does seem odd that a person with but 1 piece of feedback has made so many bids; although they could just be starting out in the vic section. Regards, Rob
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