For Research information on soldier

[GODISHIGH]

hello, i recently acquired a named medal bar for a John Henry Frederic von Schroeder. i would like to know if i can do any further research and if possible where can i do it?

thanks

john

[Wild Card]

What is the medal?

Excuse me, what are the medals?

Edited September 16, 2011 by Wild Card

[Claudio]

As WC rightly said and I'd like to add, a picture of the whole medal bar (front and back) would help even more... for a starter it would prove that the medal bar is in your collection and that you are not merely posting such questions for increasing the profit of a possible deal you intend to make. Sorry for being so direct...

Claudio

Edited September 16, 2011 by Claudio

[kapten_windu]

As Paul rightly said and I'd like to add, a picture of the whole medal bar (front and back) would help even more... for a starter it would prove that the medal bar is in your collection and that you are not merely posting such questions for increasing the profit of a possible deal you intend to make. Sorry for being so direct...

Claudio

yes, it's right, and the picture must be clear to see.. :)

[Paul C]

Post a pic of the bar, front and back and any documentation to support the attribution.

[GODISHIGH]

hello, here is a picture of the medal bar. the bar consists of the prussian 1914 ek2, 1939 war merit cross (cross is missing, just ribbon), hamburg hanseatic cross, hindy cross. i purchased this from Luftkreig on WAF. he purchased it directly from the family and was able to contact a relative named Christian von Schroedor which gives some information on him (i have uploaded the email sent by his nephew

thanks

john

[GODISHIGH]

back of medal bar picture

[Claudio]

Dear John,

From this picture you can't really begin to research very much about the bar; v.Schröder could have also been a mere soldier or NCO. The medals on this medal bar are very common: EK2 (5'000'000 awarded), KVK2 with or without swords (also millions), Hamburg Hansa cross (over 50'000), not to speak about the FEK (Hindy cross as you call it), pratically awarded to every WWI veteran who was still alive in 1934-35 and applied for it. Furthermore more than 10'000'000 German soldiers in the Army during WWI. As you can see the odds to find something on v.Schröder are pratically zero. Only the family could provide with more information. Usually families keep rather documents than medals, maybe there are somewhere hidden in some drawer or maybe they have been destroyed or thrown away, like his KVK2 (de-nazification process after WW2). The majority of the Germans just wanted to forget the war after 1945.

ciao,

Claudio

Edited September 16, 2011 by Claudio

[Ulsterman]

well...the Hamburg rolls apparently are intact-just not transcribed (here in the USA).That might help. I do not have him listed in the IR 73 officers' verien book-which had about 20% of its membership from HH. Anyone got the IR76 book?

Given the lack of LS awards-probably a dR Lt. (he was a freiherr back when that mattered socially) in 1914-18.

Any chance a kind HH member could look him up in the obits from 1958?

[Mike Dwyer]

There are several von Schroeders listed in the 1914 Rangliste.

There's an Oberst who's got a ton of neck crosses, so probably not him.

There's a Hauptmann in Grenadier-Regiment König Friedrich Wilhelm IV (1. Pommersches) Nr.2.

There's a Rittmeister who's a personal flugeladjutant to the Grand Duke of Hesse who also has a truck-load of medals, so probably not him either.

There's an Oberleutnant in 2. Pommersches Ulanen-Regiment Nr.9.

Lastly, there are two Leutnants der Reserve, one in Füsilier-Regiment Graf Roon (1. Ostpreußisches) Nr.33 and one in 1. Garde-Feldartillerie-Regiment.

[Paul C]

Being a "von" he was probable an officer. However the awards are very common and additional information will be unavailable. The award rolls usually give a first name and unit but there are not any awards on the bar for which the award rolls are available, so it will be very hard to get additional information.

[M Hunter]

John,

A very nice intact Hamburg Hanseatic Cross there. It has been stored safely over the years. If you ever consider letting this one go please let me know.

Best wishes

Matt

[GODISHIGH]

pictures of information and medal bar

[Dave Danner]

My references don't have any information on military service by Johann Heinrich Friedrich (AKA John Henry Frederick). He may have joined as a Kriegsfreiwiliger and just didn't get a commission, so he doesn't show up among the various Leutnants and Leutnants der Reserve. Or he might have been a Lt.d.R.a.D. or d.L.a.D., a.D. so he's not in the 1914 Ranklist and d.R./d.L. so he doesn't show up in the ERL under recalled officers. And never promoted during the war so he doesn't show up in the MWB.

As for the other Freiherren von Schröder with war service:

1. Johann Heinrich, born 15.4.1852, Fideikomissherr auf Groß-Schwansee. In the 1914 RL (p.742) as a Rittm.d.R., Gren.-Regt. zu Pferde Nr. 3, with the 1870EK2 and LD1. Promoted Maj.d.R. as Führer, le. Mag.-Fuhrpk.-Kol. 2, Korps Zastrow. Received the MMV2 and possibly the clasp to the Iron Cross 2nd Class. Uncle to John Henry Frederick.

2. Johann Heinrich George, born 24.2.1867, Landrat, Kreis Eckernförde. RAO4 and EK2w. Uncle to John Henry Frederick.

3. Johann Heinrich Alexander Adolf Moritz, born 3.2.1870, died 17.3.1918. In the 1914 RL (p.755) as a Rittm.d.R., Husaren-Regt. Nr. 7, with the LD1. Uncle to John Henry Frederick.

4. Johann Heinrich Hans, born 6.11.1887. In the 1914 RL (p.748) as a Lt.d.R., Drag.-Regt. Nr. 18 (Schleswig). Promoted OLt.d.R. while serving with the Mun.-Kol., Fußart.-Regt. Nr. 20. Received the MMV2 and the SMK. Brother to John Henry Frederick.

5. Johann Heinrich Kurt Theodor, born 24.11.1889. In the 1914 RL (p.391) as a Lt. in HR 7 and the ERL (p.433) as a Hptm.i.G. in the 10.Armee and a Rittm.a.D. According to Uwe's link in the other thread, later a Nazi Party official and SS officer. Brother to John Henry Frederick.

6. Johann Heinrich Karl Herbert, born 10.2.1894. In the ERL (p.433) as a Lt. in HR 7 and Lt.a.D. Brother to John Henry Frederick.

7. Johann Heinrich Helmuth, born 20.7.1898. In the ERL (p.434) as a Lt. in HR 7 and Lt.a.D. Brother to John Henry Frederick.

8. Rudolph Edgar, born 27.5.1884. In the 1914 RL (p.769) as a Lt.d.R. in Jäg.-Regt. zu Pferde Nr. 8 (II Hamburg), died of wounds 28.5.1916 as an OLt.d.R. in RIR 92. Distant cousin.

9. Rudolf Bruno, born 5.1.1895. Missing in action in 1915 and presumed dead. No information on rank, so probably a Kriegsfreiwilliger. Distant cousin.

Regards

[Ulsterman]

...so there were three brothers- all of whom were named Johann Heinrich.....von Schroeder? Yee Gods.

[Paul C]

...so there were three brothers- all of whom were named Johann Heinrich.....von Schroeder? Yee Gods.

That must have caused some confusion around the dinner table.

[Wild Card]

That’s nothing when compared to the royal family of Reuss where all male members were Heinrich (with a number) -

“Hey twenty-five, could you please pass the potatoes to thirty-one and twenty-three.”

or,

“Hey Bubba, could you please pass the potatoes to Lefty and Stinky.”