Chris Boonzaier Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Without engaging in any religious discussions,,, I find it fascinating how all sides used similar motives.... Here is a French card, not of the propaganda type as it seems to comdemn all involved "And I had said "love one another..""
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 24, 2013 Author Posted January 24, 2013 One guy marches with God, who helps him win for the Kaiser...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 24, 2013 Author Posted January 24, 2013 And if you stick it out till you are killed... he is going to be happy...
Paul C Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Interesting how both sides claimed God was on their side. I think God may have taken a holiday between 1914 and 1918 and told all warring parties "you made this mess so you fix it". The first world war was the war that should never should have happend with all nations equally to blame.
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 27, 2013 Author Posted January 27, 2013 No Paul, no holiday.... he seems to have been everywhere!... or at least according to postcard artists....
Laurence Strong Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 Interesting how both sides claimed God was on their side. I think God may have taken a holiday between 1914 and 1918 and told all warring parties "you made this mess so you fix it". The first world war was the war that should never should have happend with all nations equally to blame. Makes you wonder doesn't it! Larry
azyeoman Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 I wonder how many men on both sides lost their faith during the war(s)? I suspect many then and now did and have. Are there any "skypilots" or padres on the site who can address this???
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 27, 2013 Author Posted January 27, 2013 What I find vwery hard to understand... some things carry across borders... something like being Catholic... There are international Catholic Youth meetings etc... So, if the French are mainly catholic, and so are Southern Germans or Bavarians... How do you sell them on killing each other, surely there would be a Religious "Wait a moment, they are catholic as well" buil in the back of the brain??
Jef Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 There is a wonderfull exhibition in "De IJzertoren, Diksmuide, Belgium" about this topic. I believe till end august 2013. Jef http://jewaserbij.wo1.be/WO1Detail.aspx?genericid=1948
azyeoman Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 There is a wonderfull exhibition in "De IJzertoren, Diksmuide, Belgium" about this topic. I believe till end august 2013. Jef http://jewaserbij.wo1.be/WO1Detail.aspx?genericid=1948 Absolutely right; a wonderful exhibit. Thank you very much for posting this; great photos and text.
Paul C Posted January 29, 2013 Posted January 29, 2013 What I find vwery hard to understand... some things carry across borders... something like being Catholic... There are international Catholic Youth meetings etc... So, if the French are mainly catholic, and so are Southern Germans or Bavarians... How do you sell them on killing each other, surely there would be a Religious "Wait a moment, they are catholic as well" buil in the back of the brain?? Nationaliism trumps religion evertime.
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 29, 2013 Author Posted January 29, 2013 I dunno.... plenty of places where Religion trumps Nationalism... even in Europe...
Laurence Strong Posted January 29, 2013 Posted January 29, 2013 (edited) I dunno.... plenty of places where Religion trumps Nationalism... even in Europe... The former Yugoslavia comes to mind........ Larry Edited January 29, 2013 by Laurence Strong
Ulsterman Posted January 29, 2013 Posted January 29, 2013 Well, as a UDA chap once said to me, " it is not the religion, but the religious national identity that is the problem.
Chris Boonzaier Posted April 16, 2013 Author Posted April 16, 2013 Dont know why I keep picking these up....
peter monahan Posted April 20, 2013 Posted April 20, 2013 "Cause you like them? Best reason I can think of for collecting anything. All the other excuses - investments, historical connections, etc - are, IMHO just rationalizations. We just like them!
azyeoman Posted April 20, 2013 Posted April 20, 2013 Dont know why I keep picking these up.... Because you're a good Bavarian Catholic??? : )
Chris Boonzaier Posted August 2, 2013 Author Posted August 2, 2013 Abacadabra... you are alive again!
Chuck In Oregon Posted August 6, 2013 Posted August 6, 2013 (edited) Abacadabra... you are alive again! It is quite a leap from "Without engaging in any religious discussions,,," to "Abacadabra... you are alive again." There's nothing magic about religion. One may believe or not, who cares, but why make demeaning comments? They are, and perhaps are meant to be, self-defining, as are all other prejudicial remarks. I like the collection of cards, though, and I'd like to see more. I may have a few around here somewhere. Chuck Edited August 6, 2013 by Chuck In Oregon
Strapper Posted August 6, 2013 Posted August 6, 2013 I have seen a few of these type. The religious figure of Jesus seems to be replaced by girlfriends and mothers in later cards, maybe the horrors of war caused a questioning of religion and replacement with a comfort figure closer to home. Just a thought.
peter monahan Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 I have had the honour of speaking to a number of concentration camp survivors - all Jews - from WWII and one of the questions I asked, when I could, was 'Did you have religious faith when you went in and did the experience change that?' That because, on my first visit to the Holocaust remembrance Centre in Toronto I went in the exit door in error and so the very first thing I saw was the guest book, in which someone had written 'Where was God?' I have also read and taught 'Night' by Elie Wiesel, one chapter of which recounts the guards hanging a twelve year old boy. Wiesel's comment is to the effect that 'that was the day they killed God.' On the other hand, a quote by Wiesel from other writings say "I was very, very religious. And of course I wrote about it in 'Night.' I questioned God's silence. So I questioned. I don't have an answer for that. Does it mean that I stopped having faith? No. I have faith, but I question it. I can see the trenches killing all faith in God, as the Holocaust did for many. But not all, perhaps not even most. One aspect of faith is that it is, by definition, not based on fact or evidence, so fact and evidence don't necessarily change or weaken it. BTW, the answer from most of the camp survivors was that they were atheists but all knew others who had kept their faith and in at least one case even believed that Gosd had helped her survive. Sorry, a bit 'heavy' but I felt the topic deserved it. Peter
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 29, 2014 Author Posted January 29, 2014 Pascal's Wager Amigo.... put me on Death Row... and I will give up drinking, wild women and Satantic Militaria... and probably hedge my bets as well .... :-)
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