Solomon Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Hi, I would like to show you my latest purchase, combined with a research question. It is the ribbonbar of Friedrich Multhaup, Fuerstlicher Bauerverwalter in Detmold (born 7th Sept. 1861 in Detmold). It contains of - war merit cross / war honor medal Lippe-Detmold (non-combatant-ribbon) - golden merit cross HO Lippe-Detmold - Leopold-order Lippe-Detmold merit cross - silver merit cross HO Lippe-Detmold - cross of Allgmeines Ehrenzeichen Prussia - long service medal Prussia - Combatants-club cross Lippe-Detmold - 1897-medal Lippe-Detmold - 1905- medal Lippe-Detmold The combination is quite unique and unfortunately the mini-chain of Friedrich Multhaup was sold separately. My dear friend Rick knew the big medalbar of F.Multhaup for sure...does anyone else know, in which collection the big medalbar actually is? Best regards Roman P.S. Sorry for the poor picture quality, but my scanner is not working any longer :-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Hi Roman, Incredible ribbon bar you have there. Congrats. I hope that one day you could found the medal bar and the chain to complete this nice ribbon bar. Christophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redeagleorder Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Beautiful ribbon bar. If I am not mistaken, the award on the non combatant ribbon was the war merit cross according to the miniature chain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I cannot help feeling this bar would be way better if there was less yellow red and maybe some green added?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted December 17, 2013 Author Share Posted December 17, 2013 Beautiful ribbon bar. If I am not mistaken, the award on the non combatant ribbon was the war merit cross according to the miniature chain. Yes, but according to Rick´s rolls it was a war merit medal. That´s why I´m pretty sure, the big medalnbar still exists, because Rick must have known it. At the miniature chain, there is also the cross of "Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen" Prussia missing, that´s why I´m not putting much trust on it. Maybe missing items were replaced by the wrong awards (e.g. KHD cross Prussia). @ Chris No...green would disturb the whole image BR Roman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redeagleorder Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I see, I was not aware of the rolls. In fact I did wonder about the missing Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen on the miniature chain, Looks as though it was replaced by the Kyffhauser veterans medal. To be fair, some green with all that red would make it perfect for Christmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Hi, here we see his medal bar around 1915 Kind regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 I know the medal bar was not in Rick's collection. No idea where he may have seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Did George have it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 6 hours ago, Stogieman said: Did George have it? Yes. Thies auction 23rd of April 2005: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted June 12, 2016 Author Share Posted June 12, 2016 One important remark and I'm sure Andreas will confirm this, too: The medalbar sold via Thies is NOT the one from Multhaup, no matter if it declared as Multhaup's medalbar!!! This medalbar belonged to somebody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Yes, the attribution seems to be wrong, that´s what I noticed too in comparison with the picture Andreas showed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 I don't think it was in George Seymour's collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Solomon said: One important remark and I'm sure Andreas will confirm this, too: The medalbar sold via Thies is NOT the one from Multhaup, no matter if it declared as Multhaup's medalbar!!! This medalbar belonged to somebody else. Hi Gents, while talking to Roman about this photo before, he managed to find the right former owner from the medal bar Komtur was showing. Maybe Roman can tell us the story and the right name. Kind regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 19 minutes ago, Paul C said: I don't think it was in George Seymour's collection. Hm, but it was sold as a part of it: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted June 12, 2016 Author Share Posted June 12, 2016 Indeed, while discussing with Andreas about Multhaup and crosschecking the award lists, only one possible candidate remained: Georg Mönnig, Postverwalter in Schieder-Schwalenberg, born 19th August in 1855 He got: - Silver and Golden merit cross of the house-order Lippe-Detmold - merit cross Leopold-order Lippe-Detmold - merit cross of the combatants.club Lippe-Detmold - 1897 medal Lippe-Detmold - 1905-cross Lippe-Detmold (In this list he was named as Georg Mönning, I checked my copies) For sure he got also the war merit medal Lippe-Detmold after 1915. And this medal in combination with my ribbon-bar and Andreas´ nice photo shows exactly, that the medalbar at the Thies auction cannot be from Multhaup. Multhaup had already 1915 the cross of the Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen Prussia and a long service medal Prussia.The bar at Thies is after 1915 due to the war merit medal (awarded since 1915) and there is no reason, why the Prussian awards are missing, while Multhaup is wearing them at his ribbonbar. In addition I was always wondering why the miniature chain was showing a war merit cross and not a war merit medal at the 1st position....now I know ;-) Regards and special thanks to Andreas for the final clarification on Multhaup Roman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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