Oldenburg FA 1st variant--less common maker

[Eric Stahlhut]

here's an example that certainly appears to be wartime issue--despite being definitely not by knauer--as it has the commensurate wear and tear for such a period piece.

while the body is magnetic, the pin and hinge appear to be deeply tarnished or blackened silver...and the wreath has been hand finished, showing hand-cut  notches on

the sides of the wreath.

 i tried to match the pin and hinge with perhaps an ek1 from my collection, but no luck so far. am widening the search.

i like it a lot, and it's the fifth or sixth variant of the oldenburg fa 1st i have managed to acquire so far. any ideas on the maker?

 

[Richard Gordon]

Hi Eric,

 

I also like it but cannot match it to any specific EK1 maker either.

 

What other types do you have? Is there a thread with them all?

 

Rich

[Chris Boonzaier]

I really like the aging on that.

Rich, there are a couple, but the server transfer is taking some time and I cannot access them to link.

[Eric Stahlhut]

here are some old pics, richard.

the sew-on version is up in the air, but i haven't seen another one. usually if it's fake, there are other examples readily available

 pretty well done though, with decent attention paid to its manufacture.

notice the drilled holes...they are nicely finished. lacquer on brass or tombac

 

 

[Eric Stahlhut]

well, i just figured out the maker, i think. it was in front of me the whole time.

it's a meybauer! it's all about the hand cut notches...i then compared the scewback to the pinback, and the details of the iron planchet are identical.

go figure

 

[Eric Stahlhut]

forgot to include this point in preceding post...one thing that i immediately considered was that it is a

screwback meybauer that had been converted to a pinback...doesn't seem to be the situation with this

 one...the reverse shows wear from an old price tag, glue residue damage, but no evidence that a screw

post has been removed.

there's even a bit of old original finish left on the spot where the post would have been. 

 

 

[Chris Boonzaier]

Thatr is a really nice cross. Silly question, but who was Knauer?

I guess this is the standard maker?

[Paul R]

I have yet to pick up one of these.  They are among the more attractive designs for the crosses.  Does anyone have the award breakdown for the first and second classes and noncombatant/combatant?

[chuck]

Hi Paul,

 

 Neal O'Connor's original research states that he counted 6,900 1st class awards, 55,000 2nd class combatant awards and 1,645 2nd class non-combatant awards in Eutin. He also states a slightly higher number from another researcher but does not breakdown the 2nd class in his book aviation awards of imperial germany volume VI.

 

Chuck

[Chris Boonzaier]

Here is a variation I would not fall over myself to buy!!!

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Oldenburg-Fr-Aug-Kreuz-1-Klasse-im-Etui-Sonderausfuhrung-4-teilig-gepunzt-/182138596318?hash=item2a684e6bde:g:NOQAAOSw71BXPf8H

[Chris Boonzaier]

Up for sale again....

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Oldenburg-Fr-Aug-Kreuz-1-Klasse-im-Etui-Sonderausfuhrung-4-teilig-gepunzt-/182195531238?hash=item2a6bb32de6:g:NOQAAOSw71BXPf8H

[bolewts58]

Modern copy made by Alexander Chichalov in Russia, I believe, judging by the maker mark.

Edited July 5, 2016 by bolewts58

[Stogieman]

Beautiful cross, when I started the thread I was thinking Juncker.....

[Stogieman]

Hmmmm, no bites, Well, Juncker used a similar pin to Meybauer on a number of it's badges including submarine and airship badges

[bolewts58]

Chris was referring to this fake.The Cyrillic mark is a dead give away. Chichalov makes collector copies and sells them as such. But,plenty of shady dealers buy them and then sell them as originals.

Edited July 8, 2016 by bolewts58