Streptile Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I'm not sure in which forum to post this thread, as the ribbons wil likely not all be German states' awards. But anyway, I need some help identifying them, so hopefully others will see this thread an stop by.At a recent show I bought a large collection of ribbons. I have Guido Rosignoli's book on ribbons, I have the Bänderkatalog, and I have a few good websites bookmarked. But there are a few ribbons which remain stubbornly unidentifiable to me.I hope the experts on here can help me.RIBBON 1I'll start with this one. I guessed Baden but nothing in the Bänderkatalog matches it exactly. Yellow, with a red stripe down the middle and no white edging. Any ideas?Thank you in advance for any help.' alt='' class='ipsImage' width="1000px" height="750px">"> ' alt='' class='ipsImage' width="1000px" height="750px"> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasle Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Looks very similar to this one: http://www.emedals.com/highlighted-offerings/europe/spain/medals/other/1925-homage-to-the-royal-family-medal-eu6503 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainofthe7th Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 It also resembles the unofficial WWI St. Mihiel Medal. If it is as wide as a standard U.S. ribbon that could be it.Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odulf Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Could also be the Dutch Medal for Humane Actions (Live Saving Medal), http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erepenning_voor_Menslievend_Hulpbetoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streptile Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 Wow, you guys are great.I think it's identical to the Spanish or the French medals. On the Belgian, the red stripe seems a bit thinner.Really, many thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streptile Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 This photo of Württemberg and/or Austria's yellow/black ribbons gives a sense of the size of the collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streptile Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 OK, next question (staying in Baden, even though we really weren't there).RIBBON 2This ribbon has a narrower outer yellow stripe than most Baden ribbons I've seen (see lower sample). But could it still be Baden?They're pretty similar and I'm guessing they're the same.Thoughts? ' alt='' class='ipsImage' > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streptile Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 And one more.RIBBON 3This one was found among a batch of Bavarian ribbons. It's blue, then silver (with silvered threads) then thin black, and blue edges. Quite nice.Any ideas on this one? ' alt='' class='ipsImage' > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Looks to be a real treasure trove !!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streptile Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 Thanks Chris. Yes, it's a good collection.Some of the ribbons are mid-20th C., maybe WWII medal-bar ribbons. Some are just beautiful old silk ribbons. Some are WWI vintage, and a very few (~10%) are fakes. But most of them are very nice pre-1945 pieces.It's a collection that someone bought all together in a group from some collector's widow. Someone obviously spent a lifetime putting this collection together. There are ribbons from almost every German state and a lot of foreign countries.By the way I love this new forum format that allows in-line posting of full-size images (interspersed with text). The best... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streptile Posted March 28, 2015 Author Share Posted March 28, 2015 No one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 For a reason known only to my subconcious, i think ribbon 3 may have a Bulgarian connection? They have a light blue with silver stripes ribbon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streptile Posted March 28, 2015 Author Share Posted March 28, 2015 Thanks Chris. I thought of Bulgaria too.They did use this one, which is very close but without the black stripe:But I have not found an exact match.I've got to say that I'm surprised at how difficult it is to identify some of the ribbons in this collection. Online resources are very incomplete and the older books are mostly useless (though interesting).So if these can't be identified I'll post the next few -- but I'll keep it up a few more days and hope. ' alt='' class='ipsImage' > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streptile Posted March 28, 2015 Author Share Posted March 28, 2015 For RIBBON 2 I'm going with Baden.There's a thin yellow stripe there that can't really be seen in my photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 I cant remember offhand, but i cannot remember seeing many german ribbons using the watered silk pattern like in 3 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streptile Posted March 28, 2015 Author Share Posted March 28, 2015 I cant remember offhand, but i cannot remember seeing many german ribbons using the watered silk pattern like in 3 ?Hi Chris,I've seen a lot of German states' awards mounted on medalbars with watered / moiré ribbons which would not originally have had them when awarded. I think it's possible that some ribbon makers made moiré ribbons as a sort of "luxury" type of ribbon, or maybe for mounting. For example I've even seen moiré Iron Cross ribbons, and the Bavarian MVO ribbons seem to me to be about 50/50 regular vs. moiré. Same with the Prussian Crown Order. Some ribbons are moiré and some are not. I'm not even sure if they're supposed to be moiré. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogi Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 The ribbon you posted gives me a Bavarian Military Merit vibe for some reason, although excellent quality, is it silk?The quality and colors almost make me think Military Order of Max Joseph, the quality sure looks like for a higher order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streptile Posted March 29, 2015 Author Share Posted March 29, 2015 Thanks Rogi. I agree, it looks pretty close to some of those Bavarian ribbons, but I've yet to find an exact match. I don't quite know if it's silk or not. It's rather "rigid" feeling, which makes me think it's not, but that could be the effect of the silver wire in the stripe.Here's a closer look.' alt='' class='ipsImage' width="1000px" height="750px">">You can see the silver stripe is composed of alternating silver and white threads.The card the ribbon is wrapped around says "Bayern Sanität....." and then becomes illegible for the last word or syllable.I assumed that was an error, or the card was used for a different ribbon before, because I've been unable to find anything that fits the bill. ' alt='' class='ipsImage' width="1000px" height="750px"> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Hi Trevor, Charlottenkreuz Württemberg RegardsAndreas ' alt='' class='ipsImage' > ' alt='' class='ipsImage' > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Tapferkeitsmedaille Württember ' alt='' class='ipsImage' > ' alt='' class='ipsImage' > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Württemberg Wilhelmskreuz ' alt='' class='ipsImage' > RegardsAndreas ' alt='' class='ipsImage' > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) On 29/03/2015 at 07:29, Streptile said: The card the ribbon is wrapped around says "Bayern Sanität....." and then becomes illegible for the last word or syllable. I assumed that was an error, or the card was used for a different ribbon before, because I've been unable to find anything that fits the bill. No error, actually they were quite right: it's the war ribbon of the Kriegserinnerungszeichen 1914/18 des Bayerischen Landesvereins vom Roten Kreuz, instituted in 1924. There's another ribbon, without the black stripes, for home merit. As said, it's no state award, and thus not listed in our major sources... sometimes, it's a bit tricky! Edited August 2, 2022 by saschaw 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streptile Posted September 26, 2022 Author Share Posted September 26, 2022 On 02/08/2022 at 10:19, saschaw said: No error, actually they were quite right: it's the war ribbon of the Kriegserinnerungszeichen 1914/18 des Bayerischen Landesvereins vom Roten Kreuz, instituted in 1924. There's another ribbon, without the black stripes, for home merit. As said, it's no state award, and thus not listed in our major sources... sometimes, it's a bit tricky! Thanks Sascha. That took a while! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus66 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) On 26/03/2015 at 23:18, Streptile said: OK, next question (staying in Baden, even though we really weren't there). RIBBON 2 This ribbon has a narrower outer yellow stripe than most Baden ribbons I've seen (see lower sample). But could it still be Baden? They're pretty similar and I'm guessing they're the same. Thoughts? ' alt='' class='ipsImage' > According to “Medal Ribbons &Orders of Imperial Germany & Austria D. G. Neville” This ribbon is for the Baden field service decorations 1814-1871. Marcus Edited September 26, 2022 by Marcus66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 On 26/09/2022 at 17:14, Marcus66 said: This ribbon is for the Baden field service decorations 1814-1871. It seems to me, Marcus, you are referring to the ribbon with medal Streptile posted, but his question actually referred to another picture, ribbon with no medal, but that picture has been lost within the years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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