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What do you think about this medal? Could it be original? E. Falot on front side and two hallmarks on suspension ring.
All comments are more than welcome.
Thanks in advance!
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I apologize for asking again but the auction is nearly over so I would be very grateful if someone could help me determine if it's original or not.

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Radmilo

It is either quite worn or a cast difficult to tell from the photo.

Nicer examples are available (one in London on 15 December for example)

All the best,

Paul

 

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There are many in better condition out there.  I would wait to a nicer one unless this one is cheap. 

I sold mine for some reason but have beefn thinking on getting another.  I'm more interested in the French in Africa and Asia.

 

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My 2 cents worth...  The lettering on both the obverse and reverse doesn't give me any warm and fuzzy, lot's of wear, some misalignments...  Also, I'm always very weary of a ball mount on these...  

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Not really my field so thank you all for comments!

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Me again...  Personally, I'd stay clear of it.  Every time I look at the pics again it screams copy...  Never purchase any 2nd Empire campaign medal with a ball mount!

Play safe, go for a model signed by BARRE, pay under $400.  A Mexico medal by any other engraver would be an incredible stroke of luck.  Don't look for a super detailed medal, they were kind of plain and rather flat.  If the medal seems to have a lot of depth to it, it's probably a fake.  Here's mine below.

Expedition du Mexique 1863.jpg

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Beautiful example and I agree, the Barre is the model I owned and I think it may have been the original.

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Love that medal! 

Defenetly need one too.

Also looking for any Belgian stuff related to Mexico; the Mexican legion 1864 - 1867.

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The Barre pieces were the official issues, the ones by EF, Falot and Sacristan were privately manufactured pieces.

Paul

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1 hour ago, Odulf said:

Like this...

Belgian Captain of the 3rd Foot

B - 020 - Kapitein 3e Regt.Inf. - Ordere de ND de la Guadeloupe + Méd. de Mexique (1863) France (Tournai).jpg

Exactly! 

;-)

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17 hours ago, paul wood said:

The Barre pieces were the official issues, the ones by EF, Falot and Sacristan were privately manufactured pieces.

Paul

And they (EF, Falot and Sacristan) are unfortunately to most often copied...

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What's the other medal all 3 of them seem to also be wearing??  It's surmounted by an imperial eagle like the original MM but isn't...   Any idea?

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Hi,

I believe it's the "Order of Guadeloupe", a Mexican award created in the early 1820's.

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Per order of 16-03-1867 Emperor Napoleon III announced that the Medal for the Mexican Campaign  was also to be awarded to Belgian and Austrian soldiers: 5,913  to members of the Austrian Legion, and 1,222 to members of the Belgian Legion.

The Mexican Ordre de Notre-Dame de la Guadeupe (created in 1823) was conferred to many French, Austrian and Belgian officers who also qualified for the Medal for the Mexican Campaign.

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On 12/4/2015 at 02:45, Hendrik said:

Hi,

I believe it's the "Order of Guadeloupe", a Mexican award created in the early 1820's.

Excellent, thanks!  I guess most officers were decorated by Maximilian?

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Not Order of "Guadeloupe" which is a French Island in the Antilles, but Order of "Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe"...

My two cents.

Bison

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Indeed Bison you are absolutely right the Order of Nostra Senhora de Guadalupe was founded on February 18th 1822 during the brief empire of Augustin Iturbide. Orders from this period are of the highest rarity and are quite different from the later versions. The Order was re-established by Santa Anna in 1853, in 1863 the Order was re-established by Maximilian in July 1863, the design is similar to the Santa Anna type the only difference being that the eagles on the badge are crowned, such was that the robes for the Order of the St Anna type were still useable.. Following the execution of Maximilian in 1867  the Order became obsolete.

Paul

 

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On ‎03‎/‎12‎/‎2015 at 11:14, Odulf said:

In wear, a French Lt.Colonel and a Military Doctor

Lt-Col. 55e Regt. Ligne @.jpg

 

Great pics, sweet !

The Lieutenant-Colonel is Eugène-Isidore Pinet.

He went to Mexico as a Sergent in the 95e de Ligne, sailing on 23 August 1862.
He was promoted a Sous-Lieutenant in the Régiment Etranger on 5 April 1865.
He left Mexico in 1867, sailing back to Algeria, where he landed on 17 April.

(Much !) later, he joined 55e de Ligne as a Lieutenant-Colonel, on 11 October 1894.

Cheers !
Jerome

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Well, that's an impressive career Jerome, thank you very much for this information!

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