camelneck Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 Hi, Does anybody know what era the St Alexander Orders shown in the photo is from? I assume the St. Alexander Orders that have the swords above the medal are older than those St Alexander Orders that have the swords piercing the center of the medal. Is this correct. Does anybody know of a particular thread that deals with the St. Alexander variants? I want to learn more, but I hate to fork out a fortune for Pavlov's book.
nickstrenk Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 Versions with swords were from 1886. 1-Swords under crown-for merit during war 2-Swords X in the center-for bravery in the battle,but also from 1888 for bravery in peace
922F Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 Camelneck--Information available in Prof Pavlov's book [Bulgarian/English language edition] will repay your cost many times over, even at $160 delivered [e.ay now]. You may sometimes find used copies [Bulgarian language but with English image captions] via Alibris, Amazon & similar sites for as little as $60 and Bulgarian/English language editions as cheap as $80.
new world Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) I second what 922F said - get Pavlov's book! You are talking about couple hundred dollars - which is the cost of a single common low class award - and it will teach you a lot about collecting and will show you all details on variations/types. Edited May 10, 2017 by new world
Graf Posted May 11, 2017 Posted May 11, 2017 Hi Camelneck, There is a book for sale on Ebay $159.90 or make an offer - free delivery The seller is 357-art from Bulgaria Good Luck Book " BULGARIAN ORDERS AND MEDALS " prof. Pavlov Lux Catalogue
new world Posted May 12, 2017 Posted May 12, 2017 This is actually great price for Pavlov's book! I would get it for myself if I didn't have 2 copies already.
camelneck Posted May 13, 2017 Author Posted May 13, 2017 In regards to Pavlov's book, I think you guys have made your point. I've been keeping my eye on Ebay hoping to find one, but I didn't realize that $160 was considered a bargain. However, I'm sure it will pay off rather quickly. I wish he would come up with a version that dealt with the Kingdom of Bulgaria exclusively. I could care less about the Communist period and thereafter and I bet that takes up 40% of the book. Nevertheless, it will probably be one of my next purchases. BTW, I finally found a really good website on Kingdom era Bulgarian Awards. It is by far the best single source of information on Bulgarian Awards that I've found so far on the Internet. Here is the web link: http://bulgariandecorations.com/ It gives fairly good background info on all of the major Bulgarian Awards and their associated ribbons. It includes photos of each class and most grades of the various orders. It also gives hierarchical information on the various awards. This includes a list showing the order that they should appear on medal bars as well as several nice, all-Bulgarian Medal Bars. I was surprised to learn that the Soldier's Cross of Bravery (any of the 4 grades) should appear on a medal bar before a Class 4 Order of Alexander or a Class 4 Order of Military Merit. I'm surprised that nobody mentioned this wonderful website when I was asking about the Order of Merit and the various Medals of Merit (although Graf provided a thread of really good information on these medals. Thanks again, Graf).
new world Posted May 13, 2017 Posted May 13, 2017 That site is maintained by the one of the forum members and was discussed here:
Petar Keserdzhiev Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Hi, This is the best book for the Bulgarian orders "St.Alexander" https://www.amazon.de/Bulgarien-Alexander-Orden-1881-Preiskatalog/dp/3937064303 http://www.ebay.de/itm/Bulgarien-St-Alexander-Orden-1881-1948-Preiskatalog-Band-2-Bretzendorfer-/142250145793 Greetings
new world Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Yes, I own this book and can confirm - the book is very good! There's similar book on Bravery order.
ilieff Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Would it be possible for someone to post in here a couple of sample pages from this book please? I cannot decide whether it`s worth buying it, considering I am not fluent in German.
Igor Ostapenko Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 9 hours ago, new world said: Yes, I own this book and can confirm - the book is very good! There's similar book on Bravery order. I have book about St. Alexander order, but can't to find about Bravery order
Graf Posted July 17, 2017 Posted July 17, 2017 Hi Igor, There is a similar book on Bravery Order by Uwe Bretzendorfer I have this book.I was lucky that Uwe sold me the very last copy he had i am not sure whether he will re- publish it again Uwe does not have any more copies at this stage It looks like the Bulgarian Bravery Order is quite popular in Germany due to the fact that many Germans s were awarded It is very nice book He has a little bit different classification of the Bravery Order from those ones of the Bulgarian authors. He himself is a eager collector of Bulgarian Orders I will post the front cover in the next 1-2 days Graf
new world Posted July 17, 2017 Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, Graf said: ...I have this book.I was lucky that Uwe sold me the very last copy he had i am not sure whether he will re- publish it again Uwe does not have any more copies at this stage It looks like the Bulgarian Bravery Order is quite popular in Germany due to the fact that many Germans s were awarded... lucky you! I am looking to get this book, but never saw it for sale. Edited July 17, 2017 by new world
Petar Keserdzhiev Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 On 15.07.2017 г. at 00:46, ilieff said: Would it be possible for someone to post in here a couple of sample pages from this book please? I cannot decide whether it`s worth buying it, considering I am not fluent in German. Hi,the book is worth the price! There are many details that are not available anywhere else!
Igor Ostapenko Posted July 24, 2017 Posted July 24, 2017 On 11.05.2017 at 17:36, Graf said: Hi Camelneck, There is a book for sale on Ebay $159.90 or make an offer - free delivery The seller is 357-art from Bulgaria Good Luck Book " BULGARIAN ORDERS AND MEDALS " prof. Pavlov Lux Catalogue new book http://www.ebay.com/itm/282576877015
new world Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 On 7/24/2017 at 02:08, Igor Ostapenko said: new book http://www.ebay.com/itm/282576877015 Nice! Do you own new edition of this book?
Igor Ostapenko Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 No, very expencive ( I need information about Battenberg period awards and in all books minimum information about this period ... )
ilieff Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 Thank you for the scans, Petar. Igor, information about Battenberg period awards (in general) is next to zero. I doubt that any of the current books can provide you with a detailed knowledge in this regard.
new world Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Igor Ostapenko said: No, very expencive ( I need information about Battenberg period awards and in all books minimum information about this period ... ) Very expensive?! Almost any Battenberg period award will cost you more than the price of this book...
Igor Ostapenko Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 I'm ready to pay if book can help me . Do you see book about serbian orders and medals ? Information about variants and producers, quality of pictures and price 100€
ilieff Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 Prof. Pavlov's book is too overrated. Its price has been high since it's launch in 2002/2003 and I am sure such high price has been artificially maintained (one way or another). Do not forget that Pavlov is a professor in Economics and [should] knows how to sell his stuff.
Igor Ostapenko Posted July 25, 2017 Posted July 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, ilieff said: Pavlov is a professor in Economics and [should] knows how to sell his stuff. prof. Pavlov not sell this book on eBay for $180. Some seller from Bulgaria want this price. In Bulgaria you can pay for this book for 170-200 Bulgarian Levs - 105-120 US$ . Professor of Economics can make sate and can sell book to collectors for good price ( and with autographe )
new world Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 15 hours ago, ilieff said: Prof. Pavlov's book is too overrated. Its price has been high since it's launch in 2002/2003 and I am sure such high price has been artificially maintained (one way or another). Do not forget that Pavlov is a professor in Economics and [should] knows how to sell his stuff. I have different opinion. To me this book (2002 edition) has been invaluable reference and helped me numerous times since I got my first copy 15 years ago. The amount of knowledge I learned from this book is priceless. Just the classification system Prof Pavlov uses in his book is worth the price alone. I paid over $100 when it came out and this was the best $100 I ever spent in collecting field! Is the book perfect? No, it's not. I would like to see certain aspects of it improved and mistakes corrected. However, the truth is - this is the best reference on Bulgarian awards out there. No other book comes close. If you collect awards - you will be spending thousands of dollars on the hobby and you MUST invest in quality reference books. If I were starting today I would not hesitate to spend $100+ they ask for the book.
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