Chris Boonzaier Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Of course I would have jumped on this..... but I held back because these Hartpappe backings are usually associated with Prewar pics, not late war ones..... Then I saw he has sold rare Freikorps ones on cardboard backings as well... https://www.ebay.de/itm/Totenkopf-Garde-Pionier-Flammenwerfer-Abzeichen-Stahlhelm-Hartpappfoto-CDV/263408724812?hash=item3d54622b4c:g:38YAAOSwng5aPAm1 What do you guys think? Original, or Postwar pic legitimised with prewar hartpappe backing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naxos Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) I have some "Hartpappe backing" photographs from during and after the war but they all without exception have the photographers studio embossed or printed on the cardboard. Also the cardboard is a different type. The cardboard backing on the eBay photograph is not legit IMO. I believe it is a modern copy. Edited December 28, 2017 by Naxos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naxos Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Here are some images on cardboard taken between 1916 and 1923 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 28, 2017 Author Share Posted December 28, 2017 Yup, in retrospect I have a bunch of wartime ones like that as well, but his are somehow different.... another one... https://www.ebay.de/itm/Totenkopf-Garde-Pionier-Flammenwerferabzeichen-Hartpappfoto-Atelier-Berlin-/263332750605?nma=true&si=E85epdlv41MvkjXnAquob1gqkME%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 and another... https://www.ebay.de/itm/Totenkopf-Wehrwolf-Freikorps-Wehrverband-Hartpappfoto-mit-Fahne-1925-/263351311551?nma=true&si=E85epdlv41MvkjXnAquob1gqkME%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 His seem to only be high end.... and the card backings seen to be "older kinds" than the wartime... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) Hi, the real photo postcard was offered from around the late 1890s by some and then increasing numbers of German photo-studios. From 1914 on most studio had replaced CDVs, CABs etc. with RPPCs. However, some studios still used them till the 1920s (as shown above), in other countries even to the 30s, especially in rural areas. But these are fairly rare. GreyC Edited December 28, 2017 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Hello! IF the photos are ok, why are they so cheap? As a proffessional seller, he might know, that those photos are more expensive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Hi, just to prevent misunderstandings: I didn´t refer to the articles on ebay, just referred to the use of CDVs/RPPCs GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 I thought to buy it, but 39€ and the absence of knowledge, if it is an original one made me to choose against the photo. To me it´s strange, that a lot of expensive or very rare photos don´t have any writings or stamps on their reverses. But that´s just my guess... And I don´t need another skullhead photo, because I´ve got another one ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 So, on the ebay fotos. Is the image an original or reprint from a period negative? With real ones going for upwards of 100e or more it would still be a good choice if you are studying variations of the TK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 30, 2017 Author Share Posted December 30, 2017 I think nowdays you can just scan an original and go down to a drugstore and have a print in less than a minute... or a hobby photographer can have it on old paper in his basement lab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinZ Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 53 minutes ago, Chris Boonzaier said: I think nowdays you can just scan an original and go down to a drugstore and have a print in less than a minute... or a hobby photographer can have it on old paper in his basement lab Yes but then you still need to age it. All that trouble won't justify 20 or 30 euro, unless they don't want to make a profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 30, 2017 Author Share Posted December 30, 2017 43 minutes ago, ErwinZ said: Yes but then you still need to age it. All that trouble won't justify 20 or 30 euro, unless they don't want to make a profit Hi, Some years ago there was a guy selling large amounts of Tank and airplane photos on ebay. in those days you could see what people were buying and selling by their feedback. in his case it was page after page of rare photos... a guy pointed out that waaaaaaay back in his ebay feedback he had been buying vintage blank photo paper and special chemicals to age photos (it is commercially available) ... it was the forum joke of the week... The hardest part of a Photo to get well done is probably the backside.... what easier way to hide it than glue it onto cardboard from old wedding photos,,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinZ Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 True for photo's. I was more pointing out to the cards posted in this topic. The amount of fakes on eBay is just staggering, one of the reasons I'm not buying printed photo's anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 30, 2017 Author Share Posted December 30, 2017 Hi, the Card backing is the easiest thing in the world.... by a box of 500 old photos for EUR50 and you will probably have 50 or so on card backings, remove the photo of the boy playing with a sailing boat and add one with a copy of a guy with a FW sleeve badge... price it cheap so it sells fast... and bobs your aunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulsterman Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Yes. This fakery has been going on for a while-the technique is common for US Civil War CDVs and has been since the 1970s. I was shown Confederate CDV fakes in 1975. Bartko Rehrer was the guy who bought the old paper and reprinted photos. i have an original of a freikorps chap with a dog -and three slightly fuzzy copies of the same picture. I think Dave Danner gave me one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von Thronstahl Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 This is not the same seller but "technique" is the same. https://www.ebay.de/itm/Fotografie-Helmtaucher-der-Kaiserlichen-Marine-Foto-1910-Taucherhelm-Taucher/253542817430?hash=item3b08545e96:g:dykAAOSwpWBaxmIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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