Top Level Fake Photos?

[Chris Boonzaier]

Of course I would have jumped on this..... but I held back because these Hartpappe backings are usually associated with Prewar pics, not late war ones..... Then I saw he has sold rare Freikorps ones on cardboard backings as well...

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Totenkopf-Garde-Pionier-Flammenwerfer-Abzeichen-Stahlhelm-Hartpappfoto-CDV/263408724812?hash=item3d54622b4c:g:38YAAOSwng5aPAm1

 

What do you guys think? Original, or Postwar pic legitimised with prewar hartpappe backing?

[Naxos]

I have some "Hartpappe backing" photographs from during and after the war but they all without exception have the photographers studio embossed or printed on the cardboard. Also the cardboard is a different type.

The cardboard backing on the eBay photograph is not legit IMO. I believe it is a modern copy.

Edited December 28, 2017 by Naxos

[Naxos]

Here are some images on cardboard taken between 1916 and 1923

[Chris Boonzaier]

Yup, in retrospect I have a bunch of wartime ones like that as well, but his are somehow different.... another one...

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Totenkopf-Garde-Pionier-Flammenwerferabzeichen-Hartpappfoto-Atelier-Berlin-/263332750605?nma=true&si=E85epdlv41MvkjXnAquob1gqkME%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

and another...

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Totenkopf-Wehrwolf-Freikorps-Wehrverband-Hartpappfoto-mit-Fahne-1925-/263351311551?nma=true&si=E85epdlv41MvkjXnAquob1gqkME%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

His seem to only be high end.... and the card backings seen to be "older kinds" than the wartime...

[GreyC]

Hi,

the real photo postcard was offered from around the late 1890s by some and then increasing numbers of German photo-studios. From 1914 on most studio had replaced CDVs, CABs etc. with RPPCs. However, some studios still used them till the 1920s (as shown above), in other countries even to the 30s, especially in rural areas. But these are fairly rare.

GreyC

Edited December 28, 2017 by GreyC

[The Prussian]

Hello!

IF the photos are ok, why are they so cheap? As a proffessional seller, he might know, that those photos are more expensive!

[GreyC]

Hi,

just to prevent misunderstandings: I didn´t refer to the articles on ebay, just referred to the use of CDVs/RPPCs

GreyC

[The Prussian]

I thought to buy it, but 39€ and the absence of knowledge, if it is an original one made me to choose against the photo.

To me it´s strange, that a lot of expensive or very rare photos don´t have any writings or stamps on their reverses.

But that´s just my guess...

And I don´t need another skullhead photo, because I´ve got another one !

[dond]

So, on the ebay fotos. Is the image an original or reprint from a period negative? With real ones going for upwards of 100e or more it would still be a good choice if you are studying variations of the TK.

[Chris Boonzaier]

I think nowdays you can just scan an original and go down to a drugstore and have a print in less than a minute... or a hobby photographer can have it on old paper in his basement lab

[ErwinZ]

53 minutes ago, Chris Boonzaier said:

I think nowdays you can just scan an original and go down to a drugstore and have a print in less than a minute... or a hobby photographer can have it on old paper in his basement lab

Yes but then you still need to age it. All that trouble won't justify 20 or 30 euro, unless they don't want to make a profit

[Chris Boonzaier]

43 minutes ago, ErwinZ said:

Yes but then you still need to age it. All that trouble won't justify 20 or 30 euro, unless they don't want to make a profit

Hi,

Some years ago there was a guy selling large amounts of Tank and airplane photos on ebay. in those days you could see what people were buying and selling by their feedback. in his case it was page after page of rare photos... a guy pointed out that waaaaaaay back in his ebay feedback he had been buying vintage blank photo paper and special chemicals to age photos (it is commercially available) ... it was the forum joke of the week... The hardest part of a Photo to get well done is probably the backside.... what easier way to hide it than glue it onto cardboard from old wedding photos,,,,

[ErwinZ]

True for photo's. I was more pointing out to the cards posted in this topic. The amount of fakes on eBay is just staggering, one of the reasons I'm not buying printed photo's anymore.

[Chris Boonzaier]

Hi,

the Card backing is the easiest thing in the world.... by a box of 500 old photos for EUR50 and you will probably have 50 or so on card backings, remove the photo of the boy playing with a sailing boat and add one with a copy of a guy with a FW sleeve badge... price it cheap so it sells fast... and bobs your aunt.

[Ulsterman]

Yes. This fakery  has been going on for a while-the technique is common for US Civil War CDVs and has been since the 1970s. I was shown Confederate CDV  fakes in 1975.

Bartko Rehrer was the guy who bought the old paper and reprinted photos. i have an original of a freikorps chap with a dog -and three slightly fuzzy copies of the same picture. I think Dave Danner gave me one of them. 

[Von Thronstahl]

This is not the same seller but "technique" is the same. 

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Fotografie-Helmtaucher-der-Kaiserlichen-Marine-Foto-1910-Taucherhelm-Taucher/253542817430?hash=item3b08545e96:g:dykAAOSwpWBaxmIN