Guest Rick Research Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 Just got these in minutes ago from my Twin [attachmentid=34545]Top row: Cross of Liberty-Military 3rd Class, Cross of Liberty-Military 4th Class, White Rose-(Knight presumably), and last the "Civil Guard Merit Cross"--about which I know absolutely nothing and will look forward to learning about from Jani Tiainen's upcoming Finnish awards book. Second row: Cross of Liberty-Military 4th Class (must have been 1941 version), Cross of Liberty-Military 4th Class (must have been 1939 version), Winter War 1939-40 Medal with combatant deviceThird row: Cross of Liberty-Civil 3rd Class (and the less said about award numbers the better ), Cross of Liberty-Military 4th Class.Bottom: Cross of Liberty-Military 3rd ClassNever having had Finnish ribbon bars, only Finnish awards on German ribbon bars, in my sweaty paws before, I was interested in the variety of styles of attachments here. The double pointy single is particularly nasty looking!
Dave Danner Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 Mine:1st - Order of the Lion of Finland, Commander 1st Class; Order of the Cross of Liberty 3rd Class with Swords, on the Peacetime Ribbon; Order of the Cross of Liberty 4th Class with Swords, on the War Ribbon.2nd - Order of the Cross of Liberty 3rd Class with Swords; Order of the Cross of Liberty 4th Class with Oakleaves; Order of the Cross of Liberty 4th Class with Swords; Winter War Medal; Continuation War Medal.3rd - Order of the Cross of Liberty 4th Class with Swords; War of Independence Commemorative Medal; Winter War Medal; Battle of Tampere (1918) Commemorative Medal; Civil Guard Medal of Merit. The last one spans both World Wars
Guest Rick Research Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 The yellow ribbon with 2 red stripes toward the center was used for 3rd and 4th classes "no swords" of the 1939 and 1941 types BUT...Jani had a nice set exactly like yours (wrestling donut suspension on the plain donut ribbon) of the cross AND award document specifying that very combination to some sort of military official, and I think he had the specific numbers of those awarded (but which we never share in public ).Let's just say: Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Dave Danner Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 The yellow ribbon with 2 red stripes toward the center was used for 3rd and 4th classes "no swords" of the 1939 and 1941 types BUT...Jani had a nice set exactly like yours (wrestling donut suspension on the plain donut ribbon) of the cross AND award document specifying that very combination to some sort of military official, and I think he had the specific numbers of those awarded (but which we never share in public ).Let's just say: Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Sort of like the non-combatant EK on the combatant ribbon situation we occasionally run into (albeit in reverse).
Pete A Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 (edited) Nice bars, and nice to see this stuff appearing from across the pond too! The Civil Guards (Suojeluskunta, SK) Merit Cross came in three classes, gold, silver and iron. The medal was single class. Only a handful of golden ones was awarded, for Marshall Mannerheim, presidents Svinhufvud, Kallio and Ryti, and naturally the commander of SK, GL Lauri Malmberg. Silver ones were these sort of an 'lounge lizard' awards that were given to those who had donated money or otherwise contributed to the Civil Guards organization or simply had a status high and visible enough. The iron ones on the other hand, were the actual awards for long and meritous service in the organization, or even for heroic deeds performed during the wartime.Yellow-red (civil) ribbon w/ swords combination on crosses of liberty is also used to denote awards given for military merits during the peacetime.Here's a neat wartime picture of a military chaplain wearing that rare combination. (source: Pohjois-Pohjanmaan Museo, Uuno Laukan Kuva-Arkisto)[attachmentid=34568]Pete Edited April 13, 2006 by Pete A
Stogieman Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 Holy Smokes! I believe that whilst making my (Truly) Evil Twin? very happy today, he has just been UPSTAGED by Dave's scan and Pete's photo!!
Bob Hunter Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 C'mon, Rick, he really isn't all that bad...is he? Spells, potions, and curses notwithstanding.
Guest Rick Research Posted April 13, 2006 Posted April 13, 2006 On a day like today (complete with Chinese buffet) no, he is Slightly Less Evil.
Stogieman Posted April 14, 2006 Posted April 14, 2006 I am an angel of mercy........ delivering REAL bagels to the "shut-in"....... he should remember what side his bagel is cream-cheesed on.......
Daniel Krause Posted April 16, 2006 Posted April 16, 2006 my one; unfortunately just a 2nd row missing the Crosses of Liberty:
Guest Rick Research Posted April 16, 2006 Posted April 16, 2006 Yes, too bad that is tragically spoiled by having thatGerman Eagle Order X on there, Daniel.
Guest Darrell Posted April 16, 2006 Posted April 16, 2006 Is this Finnish Slope as slippery as all the others?
Guest Rick Research Posted April 16, 2006 Posted April 16, 2006 I am hoping so! I don't have many more GERMAN bars with Finnish awards, so getting these all in a clump (10 years worth at one fell swoop) gives me a spare extra decade to find more, I hope.
Ed_Haynes Posted April 16, 2006 Posted April 16, 2006 It is just that Rick never met a ribbon bar he didn't like
Guest Rick Research Posted April 16, 2006 Posted April 16, 2006 True... of original ones! The Will Rogers Of Ribbon Bars
Ed_Haynes Posted April 16, 2006 Posted April 16, 2006 True... of original ones! Those other unholy contrivances do not qualify as ribbon bars! Those misbegotten shoggoths do not count.
Jani Tiainen Posted April 26, 2006 Posted April 26, 2006 >Yellow-red (civil) ribbon w/ swords combination on crosses of liberty is also used to denote awards given for military merits during the peacetime.But during peace time without rosette.Jani
Stogieman Posted April 26, 2006 Posted April 26, 2006 Thanks Jani! It's good to have our own resident experten available for this fun area of study!!
Guest Rick Research Posted June 9, 2006 Posted June 9, 2006 33 days for these to arrive from Germany-- though the slothful eBay seller didn't bother to reply until 3 weeks after the sale. [attachmentid=42592]I didn't have an initial 1941 Cross of Liberty 2nd Class Military (top bar, 1st ribbon) before, though I had a second award oakleaf for that class on a German ribbon bar. The 1940 Summa Cross starting the final pair was another new one for me.
Guest Rick Research Posted June 9, 2006 Posted June 9, 2006 And of course, I could not resist devvvvvvvvvices:2nd award of a 4th Class military Cross of Liberty, Commander of the Lion of Finland, and Officer of the White Rose. [attachmentid=42593]
Pete A Posted June 12, 2006 Posted June 12, 2006 (edited) Nice additions there, Rick! There are couple of mounting mistakes, though. 1st from top: the commander's cross of Lion of Finland should be ahead of Crosses of Liberty. Also, this seems to be a upper row only, and so is the one in the middle.1st from Bottom: the Summa commemorative should be after the 1939-40 commemorative.Pete Edited June 12, 2006 by Pete A
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