Orders and Medals of the Kingdom of Hannover

[BlackcowboyBS]

4 hours ago, Allan J Woodliffe said:

Regarding ODM of Hannover: 

 

ERNST AUGUSTUS CROSS. CREATED AUGUST 1845 FOR 50 YEARS’ SERVICE

Does anyone know how many of these long service crosses were awarded?

Would I be correct in assuming that they were only awarded 1845 to 1866 when Hannover was annexed by Prussia?

Where would be the best source to try to obtain one?

 

Thanks,

Allan

 

Good questions! trying to answer them:

a) not known to me yet, but there can't be many

b) true in 99.9 % off the awards

c) I would like to know as well! 

 

 

Edited January 26, 2022 by BlackcowboyBS

[Wild Card]

A note in Nimmergut states "1865 gab es 44 Inhaber des Ernst August-Kreuzes".

 

I cannot say if this means that as of 1865, a total of 44 crosses had been awarded or as of 1865 there were 44 surviving holders out of a higher number of total awarded.

 

Regards,

 

Wild Card

[BlackcowboyBS]

4 hours ago, Wild Card said:

A note in Nimmergut states "1865 gab es 44 Inhaber des Ernst August-Kreuzes".

 

I cannot say if this means that as of 1865, a total of 44 crosses had been awarded or as of 1865 there were 44 surviving holders out of a higher number of total awarded.

 

Regards,

 

Wild Card

Thanks Chris,

for this information, I don't have the Nimmergut in my library yet, ought to do that soon. (PS have sent you an Email)

I can at least show a very rare photograph of a Hannoverian General who wears the Ernst August Cross for 50 years of service! I will show here only the part of the photo where you can clearly spot the cross with the crown above. On the whole photo you see much more orders and medals of Hannover on his chest, but I will show this completly in my book and not before. I hope you don't mind that I keep some things secret until the book is published! 

 

 

[Allan J Woodliffe]

Thank you both for for taking the time to reply to my question.

 

I suspect that Wild Card's figure of 44 is correct for a total issue, especially when you consider that only 156 of the 25 year William Cross were awarded.

 

BlackcowboyBS, what is the latest on your book. Are you planning to make it bi-lingual or do I have to get a better German/English phrasebook?

 

Allan

[Allan J Woodliffe]

Q1. Can anyone please explain exactly what the bronze 1813 Hannover 'volunteer's medal was awarded for? Why particularly for 1813? Would anyone in the KGL qualify for it?

(I was advised, probably in error, that it was awarded to anyone who volunteered to fight in Northern Germany in 1813-14)

 

Q2 Regarding the bronze  'Medal for Volunteers in the King’s German Legion 1803-14' would all ranks of the KGL be eligible for this? 

[BlackcowboyBS]

Hi Allan,

my answers to your questions would be the following:

 

A1: After Napoleon lost his grand army in his russian campaign in 1812, some conquered countries formed a new alliance against the french in 1813. See also the iron cross which was founded in 1813 and the battle at leipzig was fought in 1813 as well. So this is the reason, why this year. So every citizen from the former electory of Hannover and every foreigner, who voluntary grabbed a gun and served unter the flags of Hannover, to fight the french, qualifies for this medal, no matter his rank. I doubt that the members of the kgl got this medal too, they had their own.

 

A2: Yes, all ranks were equal regarding this medal

On 27/01/2022 at 17:52, Allan J Woodliffe said:

 

 

BlackcowboyBS, what is the latest on your book. Are you planning to make it bi-lingual or do I have to get a better German/English phrasebook?

 

Allan

No, as the book will probably have 800 pages, there would be no space for an english text. Maybe a short summary at the end of each chapter, but I doubt it. Only German, sorry to say this.

[Allan J Woodliffe]

Blackcowboy,

Many thanks for your kind reply. I now understand more clearly, especially in respect to the KGL, whose medals are my main interest.

 

As for your book, being such a large tome I can understand why the text has to be in German.

Perhaps I could give you an idea to think about? What if you produced an English, text only, translation which could be purchased and downloaded from the internet as a simple  Word or PDF file, for a nominal fee? This could give your book a much wider worldwide audience, as people like myself, who are not conversant in German, would then be far more likely to purchase the book because of the availability of the 'online' translation. Anyway, something for you to ponder over.

[BlackcowboyBS]

As a small appetizer I would love to show you a medal not often to be seen! 90 grams pure gold, the hannovarian medal für art and science in nearly mint condition. better photos ofcourse then shown in my book!

 

 

[Allan J Woodliffe]

Can anyone help me with this KGL officer please. He is Baron George Wichman KH.

First of all does anyone have any idea where I could locate a decent obituary?

Secondly he seems to have been awarded the 3rd class Sachsen-Ernestinischer Hausorden (1833) - can anyone post a picture of the type that he would have had?

Lastly in the Hannover Staatsbook for 1860  he is listed as Inhaber der Rettungs Medaille in 1846. is this a lifesaving medal, and if so could anyone post a picture of one please?

Any assistance would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Allan

[dedehansen]

Hi Allan,

 

the Wichmann from the lifesavingmedal profession is skipper, sailor or bargee,

 

so I don´t  think it is the Baron.

 

Kind regards

 

Andreas

[Graf]

On 29/10/2020 at 18:59, BlackcowboyBS said:

Thank you Laurentius and Sandro for your kind words. Well if people wanted to know more about me, they could pm me, here in this forum I have discussed matter of phaleristics and will do so in the future as well. I am not discussing things on my person. In Germany we have a saying: A gentleman enjoys and keeps silent about it! 

And as we are in a Gentlemans Forum ...

So lets go back ton Hannover, if you don't mind. 

PS: Thank you Trooper_D

 Nicely said  Fair comment

[Allan J Woodliffe]

On 13/01/2023 at 16:32, dedehansen said:

Hi Allan,

 

the Wichmann from the lifesavingmedal profession is skipper, sailor or bargee,

 

so I don´t  think it is the Baron.

 

Kind regards

 

Andreas

 

[Allan J Woodliffe]

Thanks Andreas,

I thought that the heading ( Inhaber der Rettungs = Medaille )) on the page meant he was a Holder of a lifesaving medal from  1846, not that he was in an organisation that gave out the medal. Soldiers do not normally like getting too close to water! 

As my German language is just about non-existent I used an online translator - oops.

Allan  

 

Edited January 15, 2023 by Allan J Woodliffe
clarification

[Great Dane]

The list is for those awarded the lifesaving medal, but - as Andreas says - that Wichmann's profession is listed as "Schiffer" (i.e. skipper, sailor, bargee), so probably not your Baron Wichmann.

[Allan J Woodliffe]

Thank you 'Great Dane'.  I think that you and Andreas have put that one firmly to bed.

At least I have since found that Wichmann is a holder of the 3rd class of both the Guelphic Order and  Saxe-Ernestine House Order,  and the Waterloo medal.  Some nice things to look for I guess.

[Allan J Woodliffe]

Can anybody suggest where I might possibly locate a picture of Freiherr (Baron) Friedrich Georg Christian von Wichmann please? After his service with the KGL he returned to Hannover, where he served with the army until he retired as a major. After retirement, he was appointed governor to the Princes’ Ernst and Albert, the two sons of Duke Ernst I of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. Price Albert was to later marry Queen Victoria. When his duties to Prince Albert were concluded, Wichmann lived at the house of  of Princess Juliane of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld, (Grand Duchess Anna Fyodorovna of Russia), who had an estate on the banks of the river Aare, for a number of years. He was certainly well connected! As far as I can tell, his only medals and decorations were: 3rd class Guelphic order, 3rd class Saxe-Ernestine House Order, and the British MGS & Waterloo medals.

Thanks,

Allan