Generalleutnant Hermann Freiherr von Watter (help needed)

[Deutschritter]

Gentlemen, I need help on the military career of Hermann Freiherr von Watter (1848-1911). Anything you have would be great. I read, in Dezember 1906 he was eligible to exchange his peace grade Albrecht Order (commander 1st class; 30.1.1897) for one with swords on ring? Does anyone know if he did? He seems to have been close to the King of Württemberg (see Rangliste 1909 below). Thanks!

 

 

Edited October 11, 2021 by Deutschritter

[freiherr]

Here only SA2aKD

[laurentius]

2 hours ago, freiherr said:

Here only SA2aKD

His NgL3 (Order of the Golden Lion of Nassau) is far more interesting, and far more rare than most of his other orders.

[Deutschritter]

Thank you, Gentlemen! Does anyone know, when Hermann entered the Army? Maybe Kadettenkorps beforehand? In the Internet (https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/item/MNIL2ZYAE3NX7L53EIYDQ3ME4CXN5TMY) they identify this officer as Hermann Freiherr von Watter, but reading the backside of this card, it is actually Karl Freiherr von Watter (1833-1901) ... maybe his older brother?

 

Edited October 13, 2021 by Deutschritter

[Deutschritter]

Gentlemen, if I see this right, even though Maximilian Ludwig Hermann Fidel Freiherr von Watter (Generalleutnant since 1899) was a Württemberger, he received the Zentenarmedaille in 1897. What is the decoration at the bottom (shortly before the sash), left of the last star? Thank you! I wonder, if he, like many other von Watters, started his career in the Feldartillerie-Regiment „König Karl“ (1. Württembergisches) Nr. 13? Promotion dates would be very welcome.

 

Edited March 2, 2022 by Deutschritter

[Glenn J]

Hi Andreas,

 

he entered the army on 15 September 1864 in the Württemberg field artillery.

 

13.3.68: Lieutenant (Patent of 21.4.66)

20.7.70: Oberlieutenant/Premier-Lieutenant

22.5.76: Hauptmann

18.8.88: Major

20.6.89: Oberst-Lieutenant

18.10.91: Oberst

27.1.96: Generalmajor

 

The badge is the commemoration badge to King Karl, 1891 (Erinnerungszeichen an König Karl).

 

Regards

Glenn

 

[Deutschritter]

You are phantastic, Glenn, thank you!!! Is this the right one (König Karl Erinnerungszeichen in Gold und Silber)? I would like your opinion: His SA3a.KD ... could he have gotten that for the war 1870/71 or even 1866?

 

Edited March 3, 2022 by Deutschritter

[Deutschritter]

This is what I have put together, any additions or dates would be great:

 

Albrechts-Orden, Ritterkreuz I. Klasse mit der Kriegsdekoration (SA3a.KD)

Kaiserliche Kriegsdenkmünze 1870/71

Orden der Eisernen Krone (Österreich), Ritter III. Klasse (ÖEK3)

Friedrichs-Orden, Kommenturkreuz II. Klasse

Dienstehrenzeichen I. Klasse, 1889

Orden der Württembergischen Krone, Kommenturkreuz

Orden der Krone von Italien, Offizierkreuz (JK4)

Roter Adlerorden, III. Klasse

Persischer Sonnen- und Löwenorden, Kommandeurkreuz (PSuL3/PL3)

Nassauischer Hausorden vom Goldenen Löwen, III. Klasse (NgL3)

Hausorden vom Weißen Falken, Komturkreuz (GSF2)

Militärverdienstorden (Bayern), Komturkreuz II. Klasse (BMV2b)

Albrechts-Orden, Komtur II. Klasse (SA2b)

Preußischer Kronenorden, II. Klasse

Pius-Orden, Kommandeurkreuz (PP2)

... laut Deutscher Ordens-Almanach Kommandeurkreuz I. Klasse (PpP2a)

Fürstlich Lippischer Hausorden, Ehrenkreuz II. Klasse (LH.EK2/LH2)

Greifenorden, Ehrenkreuz (MGrO2c/MG2c)

Fürstlich Reußisches Ehrenkreuz, I. Klasse (REK1/REKj1)

Albrechts-Orden, Komtur I. Klasse (SA2a) am 30. Januar 1897

... im Dezember 1906 erhielt er die Genehmigung, zur I. Klasse die Schwerter am Ringe zu tragen

Militärverdienstorden (Bayern), Komturkreuz I. Klasse (BMV2a)

seit Rangliste 1906 in Militärverdienstorden II. Klasse mit Stern (BMV2mSt) umbenannt

Roter Adlerorden, II. Klasse

Friedrichs-Orden, Kommenturkreuz I. Klasse

Stern und Brillanten zum Roten Adlerorden II. Klasse

Hausorden vom Weißen Falken, Großkreuz (GSF1)

Friedrichs-Orden, Großkreuz

 

Furthermore:

 

Ehrenritter des Johanniterordens (PStJO)

König Karl Jubiläums-Medaille (25 Jahre) in Silber, 1889

König Karl Erinnerungszeichen in Gold und Silber am 24. Dezember 1891

Kaiser Wilhelm I. Erinnerungsmedaille 1897

Medaille zum 100jährigen Bestehen des Königreichs Württemberg 1906

[saschaw]

On 02/03/2022 at 00:18, Deutschritter said:

Gentlemen, if I see this right, even though Maximilian Ludwig Hermann Fidel Freiherr von Watter (Generalleutnant since 1899) was a Württemberger, he received the Zentenarmedaille in 1897.

Of course he would - as did every other wearer of the Prussian Kriegsdenkmünze pro 1870/71, independently of their former combatant vs. non-combatant status, their current rank or occupation, their nationality or even their sex.

 

Roughly half of the 1.2 Million Zentenarmedaillen went to veterans of Wilhelm I's wars of 1864, 1866 and 1870/71, while the other half was awarded to soldiers active in the Prussian army or "Reichs" troops in March 1897.

 

 

 

On 13/10/2021 at 05:30, freiherr said:

Here only SA2aKD

Not sure if I might get something wrong, freiherr, but his Albrechtsorden commander's cross does not have a "war decoration" (KD), because that would simply be swords - and he has those on the knight's cross. If you are, as I assume, referring to the oak wreath of the cross: that's an integral part of this order's design for all classes but its lowest one.

 

Edited August 2, 2022 by saschaw

[Deruelle]

Hi,

 

Hermann von Watter received the SA3aKD on 23 April 1871 as Oberleutnant

He received the SA2b on 27 June 1892 as Oberst

 

Christophe

Edited August 3, 2022 by Deruelle