Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted December 12, 2023 Author Share Posted December 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, FRE_A_K said: According to his medal index card he was was indeed awarded the clasp as well. Of course, it is another matter whether the clasp was delivered to him... I think it's likely his medal was sent first to finnish military attacé in Germany and that's why there is delay. Another possibility is that he was authorized to wear the medal date 15 October 1941 and this date is noted on the paper. Yes, Foreigners can be awarded the medal without the claps for peace time merits. - V Thank you for the confirmation. The thing is, von Bonin was the Naval-Attaché at the German Embassy in Helsinki between 01 July 1937 and 13 September 1944, so the medal was surely not sent to Germany, but to the German Embassy in Helsinki where he was stationed. I guess your date (28 March 1941) is the Finnish award date, and the date in his Personalakte (15 October 1941) is the German approval date, i.e. the date of authorization to wear the medal as you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted December 22, 2023 Author Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) @JohanH Johan, can you please confirm if Fritz Conrad was awarded the Commander's Cross 2nd Class of the Royal Swedish Order of the Sword on 28 March 1934? His rank at the time was Char. (honorary) Konteradmiral. If the award date in the Swedish rolls is different from the one above, then this one must be the German approval date. Thanks! Edited December 23, 2023 by Kriegsmarine Admiral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanH Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 On 22/12/2023 at 18:01, Kriegsmarine Admiral said: @JohanH Johan, can you please confirm if Fritz Conrad was awarded the Commander's Cross 2nd Class of the Royal Swedish Order of the Sword on 28 March 1934? His rank at the time was Char. (honorary) Konteradmiral. If the award date in the Swedish rolls is different from the one above, then this one must be the German approval date. Thanks! I will look it up as soon as I get home from Christmas celebration. Merry Christmas to you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted December 23, 2023 Author Share Posted December 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, JohanH said: I will look it up as soon as I get home from Christmas celebration. Merry Christmas to you! Thank you very much! Merry Christmas to you too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanH Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 On 22/12/2023 at 18:01, Kriegsmarine Admiral said: @JohanH Johan, can you please confirm if Fritz Conrad was awarded the Commander's Cross 2nd Class of the Royal Swedish Order of the Sword on 28 March 1934? His rank at the time was Char. (honorary) Konteradmiral. If the award date in the Swedish rolls is different from the one above, then this one must be the German approval date. Thanks! Hello! Sorry for my late reply. Fritz Conrad got the Order of the Sword Commander 2nd class as Kommendör on April 12th 1930. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted January 1 Author Share Posted January 1 28 minutes ago, JohanH said: Hello! Sorry for my late reply. Fritz Conrad got the Order of the Sword Commander 2nd class as Kommendör on April 12th 1930. Thank you very much Johan! The other date must be the German approval date then, even if there is almost a 4 year difference between the two dates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted January 11 Author Share Posted January 11 @FRE_A_K Can you perhaps confirm if Conrad Engelhardt was awarded the Finnish Order of the Cross of Liberty 2nd Class with Swords on 07 June 1943? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 23 hours ago, Kriegsmarine Admiral said: @FRE_A_K Can you perhaps confirm if Conrad Engelhardt was awarded the Finnish Order of the Cross of Liberty 2nd Class with Swords on 07 June 1943? Thanks! In the meantime, I found the award documents that confirm the class and award date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRE_A_K Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 "Admiral Ostlandin esikuntapäällikkönä persoonallisesti vaikuttanut meille erittäin edullisesti materiaalin vaihtoon ja yhteistoimintaan. Edellisiä koskevien neuvottelujen saksalaisena johtajana käyttänyt asemaansa molemminpuolisen hyvän vuorovaikutuksen lujittamiseksi." "As Admiral Ostland's chief of staff, he personally influenced us in a very favorable way in exchange of material and cooperation. As the German leader of the previous negotiations, he used his position to strengthen mutual good interaction." - Vili 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 (edited) @JohanH @FRE_A_K Do you perhaps know if Hermann Bauer was awarded the Finnish Order of the Cross of Liberty or any other Finnish decorations? I would be interested in the exact decorations, classes and award dates. He participated in the Finnish Civil War in 1918 as the Commandant of the Battleship "Westfalen". Many thanks! Edited January 16 by Kriegsmarine Admiral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanH Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kriegsmarine Admiral said: @JohanH @FRE_A_K Do you perhaps know if Hermann Bauer was awarded the Finnish Order of the Cross of Liberty or any other Finnish decorations? I would be interested in the exact decorations, classes and award dates. He participated in the Finnish Civil War in 1918 as the Commandant of the Battleship "Westfalen". Many thanks! There is a Kapitän zur See named Bauer in the book about Finnish awards to Germans in 1918. The book is still available if you are interested in purchasing a copy. Edited January 16 by JohanH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, JohanH said: There is a Kapitän zur See named Bauer in the book about Finnish awards to Germans in 1918. The book is still available if you are interested in purchasing a copy. Thank you for the offer. I will think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 (edited) I have a question about the Finnish Commemorative Medal of the „War of Liberation“ (Vapaussodan muistomitali). I know this medal could've been awarded with a Clasp. Can anyone tell me if there was just one Clasp, or multiple? What was the Clasp called? I know of this example (see below), awarded to Paul Wülfing von Ditten. The inscription on the Clasp says "SYD FINLAND". I found here: https://www.kuenker.de/en/archiv/stueck/240156 that this Clasp (that has an inscription in Swedish? is that correct?) "was intended for the Swedish-speaking inhabitants of southwest Finland and for the Swedish voluntary participants in the war". If so, why was Paul Wülfing von Ditten (a German) awarded this Clasp? Thanks! Edited February 18 by Kriegsmarine Admiral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Hi Kriegsmarine Admiral, maybe this is from help. Kind regards Andreas 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 22 minutes ago, dedehansen said: Hi Kriegsmarine Admiral, maybe this is from help. Kind regards Andreas Of course this will be of help! Thank you very much Andreas! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 The entry in the Personalakte of Konteradmiral Erich Müller says he was awarded the "Commander's Cross 1st Class of the Order of the White Rose of Finland with Swords" on 11 August 1942 (see the photo below). Can anyone confirm the class, award date and if it was with or without Swords? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRE_A_K Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Commander's Cross 2nd Class (not the first) of the Order of the White Rose of Finland with Swords. Date is correct. He is listed as Kapitän zur See. Born 3.4.1895, Braunswalde. Unfortunetly i'm not allowed to give any citations since further information is not open for public. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 57 minutes ago, FRE_A_K said: Commander's Cross 2nd Class (not the first) of the Order of the White Rose of Finland with Swords. Date is correct. He is listed as Kapitän zur See. Born 3.4.1895, Braunswalde. Unfortunetly i'm not allowed to give any citations since further information is not open for public. Thank you very much Vili! I suspected the class was incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted February 24 Author Share Posted February 24 Hello @JohanH Can you please find Walther Oehler in the Swedish award rolls? According to his Personalakte, he was awarded the Swedish Order of the Sword (class unknown) on 5 November 1940. I don't know if the award date is correct. Many thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanH Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 22 hours ago, Kriegsmarine Admiral said: Hello @JohanH Can you please find Walther Oehler in the Swedish award rolls? According to his Personalakte, he was awarded the Swedish Order of the Sword (class unknown) on 5 November 1940. I don't know if the award date is correct. Many thanks! Walther Oehler, German commander (Tysk kommendör) received the Order of the Sword, Commander 2nd class on October 22nd 1940. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 Just now, JohanH said: Walther Oehler, German commander (Tysk kommendör) received the Order of the Sword, Commander 2nd class on October 22nd 1940. Thank you very much! 5 November 1940 must be the date when he was awarded/presented the medal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanH Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Yes, either that or the date when the germans approved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 (edited) 12 minutes ago, JohanH said: Yes, either that or the date when the germans approved it. As far as I saw, it usually took at least a month for the Germans to approve a foreign decoration. There are also cases where several months or even years passed before an approval. Edited February 25 by Kriegsmarine Admiral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 I forgot, we actually have all three dates now: 22 October 1940: Swedish award date 5 November 1940: date of presentation 12 March 1941: German approval date Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 @JohanH I have a question about the names of the classes of the Swedish Order of the Sword and the Order of Vasa. For both orders, are the official names of the classes these: Grand Cross Commander 1st Class Commander 2nd Class Knight 1st Class Knight 2nd Class Or these: Grand Cross Commander 1st Class Commander Knight 1st Class Knight Because I found conflicting information about the names. The official website of the Swedish Royal Orders of Knighthood gives the names for the Commander and Knight without the "2nd Class" part. See the links below: https://kungligmajestatsorden.se/english/orders/the-order-of-the-sword https://kungligmajestatsorden.se/english/orders/the-order-of-vasa Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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