Rare Photos of Bavarian Army members displaying an order from the 1900 China Expedition

[v.Perlet]

Hello gents,

it is not unusual to see photos of Imperial German troops who display medals/orders referring to the 1900 China Expedition.

However I stumbled upon this IMHO "extremely rare" photo of a Bavarian Ulan member wearing a China campaign ribbon.

 

So please feel free to post other photos of Bavarian Army members displaying China Campaign medals/ribbons and or those referring to the Herero uprising.

 

Regards

v.Perlet

[dedehansen]

Hi v. Perlet,

 

sorry You are wrong, this is not the ribbon from the Chinadenkmünze.

 

 

Kind regards

 

Andreas

[v.Perlet]

Hello dedehansen,

 

unfortunately the photo you posted is extremely unclear and small.

The medallion seems to be that of the China expedition - but the ribbon doesn't match.

From outside right - white stripe, black stripe (so far okay)then white stripe but double the width of the previous black stripe (this would already be wrong. Also the inner stripe is yellow and I think would not show as black on a B/W photo. You can see the ribbon of the Centennial medallion is dark yellow and shows up as light grey on the B/W photo - not black.

See attached photos;

And closeup of the Ulan ribbon

 

But I am open to discussions as to what ribbon this Ulan is wearing.

Regards

v.Perlet

 

 

 

Edited February 4, 2022 by v.Perlet

[VtwinVince]

Looks like a MVK ribbon to me. I have never seen the ribbon of the China medal being worn in the Knopfloch.

[GdC26]

16 minutes ago, VtwinVince said:

Looks like a MVK ribbon to me. I have never seen the ribbon of the China medal being worn in the Knopfloch.

+ 1

[Leutwein]

Confirmed! Definetly a MVK ribbon

 

Nice Photo Andreas?!!! Extremly rare with all commemorative medals for all colonial/china conflicts

 

Kind regards

 

 

[v.Perlet]

1 hour ago, VtwinVince said:

Looks like a MVK ribbon to me. I have never seen the ribbon of the China medal being worn in the Knopfloch.

Hello VtwinVince,

 

I agree it does look "very matching to a MVK ribbon" it is also what I thought first. But checking on diverse photos I do not see a convincing match yet to an MVK ribbon - since the blue stripe would be far more broader then the black or white.

 

And the only difference between a MVK ribbon and a China ribbon would be red stripe contra blue and white contra yellow on a B/W photo - more or less I think not able to differentiate.

The "Blue" or "Red" stripe on the Ulan ribbon is more or less equal in width.

 

Also to my limited understanding this photo is a pre WW1 photo (The cap only displays the Bavarian Kokarde) so an MVK pre-war? on a combat ribbon - or do peacetime and war ribbon look the same?

 

Edited February 4, 2022 by v.Perlet

[Leutwein]

Your photo shows still a MVK-ribbon!

 

The inner stripe is yellow and in the most cases it is black on a b/w photos.

 

 

Furthermore the third white stripe is missing on your photo!

 

white_black_white_red_white and the yellow inner stripe.

 

I don´t think that your photo is a pre WW1-photo.....

 

 

[GreyC]

I agree with Leutwein et al. The photographic paper then was ortho- not panchromatic, that´s why yellow and orange show as dark grey or black.

GreyC

Edited February 4, 2022 by GreyC

[BlackcowboyBS]

+ 1 for the mvk ribbon

[v.Perlet]

On 05/02/2022 at 02:27, Leutwein said:

Your photo shows still a MVK-ribbon!

 

The inner stripe is yellow and in the most cases it is black on a b/w photos.

 

 

Furthermore the third white stripe is missing on your photo!

 

white_black_white_red_white and the yellow inner stripe.

 

I don´t think that your photo is a pre WW1-photo.....

 

 

Hello Leutwein,

Darn it, I was so happy about having found a really rare photo.

I surely can't deny those colors appearing on the photos posted by you and others.

Assuming that yellow and white won't differ on a B/W photo I ignored the not visible white stripe between the red and yellow.

As for the Ulan, well I haven't come across a WW1 photo "yet" showing an e.g. Bavarian with only his state Kokarde.

So the question still would be that of an pre-war MVO or MVK?

 

Anyhow I would like to keep the thread alive as to its initial topic of Bavarian soldiers showing a China or Herero decoration/award - so if any photos should be posted I would be looking forward to them.

 

The posted three photos are just in reference to the appearance of yellow off a China ribbon on a B/W photo

 

Regards

v.Perlet

Edited February 6, 2022 by v.Perlet