is this Franz Joseph Order looks great？

[wangyaokang2003]

thats all picture i can get, seller said its original pieces made before 1918 ,i want to know is real or fake and its made before 1918 of after 1918?

thanks in advance!

wyk

PS: seller said it was made in 18k gold  

[Christian1962]

It appears to be legit and yes, it´s made from gold. You can recognize that on the hallmarks on the ring and on the hinge of the center backside medaillon.

 

What´s the price?

 

Kindest regards

 

Christian

Edited August 8, 2022 by Christian1962

[wangyaokang2003]

5 小时前，Christian1962 说：

它看起来是您的合法，是的，它是用黄金制成的。可以在婚礼上的标志和中心颁发章的公开链上认出这一点。

 

价钱多少？

 

最亲爱的问候

 

基督教

您好，卖家提供此件 1570 欧元不带外壳，仅此件。1570欧元买这个值吗？

ps：我看到的标记是（3 an animal mark A）

5 hours ago, Christian1962 said:

它似乎是合法的，是的，它是用黄金制成的。您可以在戒指上的标志和中心背面奖章的铰链上认出这一点。

 

价钱多少？

 

最亲切的问候

 

基督教

sorry, some error occured in translation software, the seller offer this pieces for 1570EUR without case,only pieces,its worth to buy it or not?

PS: the mark i can see is ( 3 an animal mark A)

thanks in advance

Edited August 8, 2022 by wangyaokang2003

[Christian1962]

Price depends on your local market I would say. Here in Austria it´s not a really rare item. Gold FJO with case go up to 1.500 €. Without case I would not pay more then 1.000 €.

 

Here a link to Dorotheum in Vienna: https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/7388794/

 

Kindest regards

 

Christian

[wangyaokang2003]

thanks a lot about you reply，but i still have a little question about this ，seller offer me a red cross with case Fjo + red cross with case he offer me 2400eur （China have high tariff for 25% to these ）for these pieces， i will post picture below，i wonder if its worth to buy these？and this red cross is rare or not？ thanks in advance！

wyk

4 hours ago, Christian1962 said:

Price depends on your local market I would say. Here in Austria it´s not a really rare item. Gold FJO with case go up to 1.500 €. Without case I would not pay more then 1.000 €.

 

Here a link to Dorotheum in Vienna: https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/7388794/

 

Kindest regards

 

Christian

 

[Christian1962]

The "Offizierskreuz des Roten Kreuzes" is not very rare. As you can see the case is in bad condition. A very good peace with case will cost 600 €. Ask for a pic of the backside, there are two different kinds of mounting.

 

You can see it here: https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/6734487/

 

I am not sure now: the seller want´s 2.400 € for both - Franz Joseph (as shown above) AND Red Cross? This is too much in my opinion. Maybe it´s worth 1.300 - 1.500 for both if the backside of the Red Cross is okay.

 

Regards

 

Christian

 

 

[wangyaokang2003]

1 hour ago, Christian1962 said:

The "Offizierskreuz des Roten Kreuzes" is not very rare. As you can see the case is in bad condition. A very good peace with case will cost 600 €. Ask for a pic of the backside, there are two different kinds of mounting.

 

You can see it here: https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/6734487/

 

I am not sure now: the seller want´s 2.400 € for both - Franz Joseph (as shown above) AND Red Cross? This is too much in my opinion. Maybe it´s worth 1.300 - 1.500 for both if the backside of the Red Cross is okay.

 

Regards

 

Christian

 

 

l have only one pic about the back side of red cross ，the seller last offer is 2100EUR for these two pieces，to collect austria-hungary is getting more and more expensive in china? i guess

many thanks！

[1812 Overture]

这帖子真把我看乐了

[gjw]

Very nice order.  One day I'll have one that nice!

 

Congratulations!

 

Greg 

[Elmar Lang]

Hello,

 

the Franz Josef Orden that started this thread, is a fine piece in gold, made by V. Mayer's Söhne, Vienna, at the end of 19th Century, up to 1914.

 

The "war ribbon" with swords, indicates an award from 1916 onwards, where most decorations of this order were made in gilt bronze already, although exceptions were quite common. I can say, that the ribbon is also original and a fine one too.

 

Re. the price: it can vary, depending on where it is sold, and who's the seller. I'd suggest to keep an eye on what's offered by European dealers and auction houses and decide accordingly. This means of course, all the necessary import fees.

 

Another thing is what I call the "case frenzy", where as we read, a case influences a prospective price up to 1/3 of the overall value. Something I consider -permit me- just insane.

 

Personally, I consider a case just a "plus" to a piece, where the piece itself -in my opinion- should have the "Hauptrolle", both historically and commercially.

 

Best wishes,

 

Enzo (E.L.)

 

[wangyaokang2003]

Hi,enzo , its nice to get you reply always! really thanks the advice you give to me ,i will keep it on my mind ,i hope you have a nice weekend!

best wishes!

[Graf]

Another thing is what I call the "case frenzy", where as we read, a case influences a prospective price up to 1/3 of the overall value. Something I consider -permit me- just insane.

 

Personally, I consider a case just a "plus" to a piece, where the piece itself -in my opinion- should have the "Hauptrolle", both historically and commercially.

 

Very well said Enzo I know collectors that they will not buy excellent items because they come without case/box.

I personally buy as they come across and if case/box comes later and on reasonable price I will buy it

 

[Carol I]

Two similar items on which I would like to hear your opinion:

 

Franz Josef Order

 

Red Cross Badge

 

Thank you in advance.

[Christian1962]

Dear Carol,

 

in my opinion both items are legit and pieces from the period of the First World War. The Franz Joseph Orden is not in good condition and quality. You can see the sprinkles in the frontside center medaillon. If you can buy it for about 300 up to 400 €, then take it. Otherwise not. There is a lot of better pieces around.

 

Your question if the FJO would look "great" I would answer with "not anyway".

 

The Red Cross decoration is in quite good condition. I can't if there is an enemal defect in the 12 o'clock arm within the laurel wreath. It could be a light effect on the pic too.

 

Have a look at the next Dorotheum auction in May: https://www.dorotheum.com/de/a/104732/

 

Regards

 

Christian

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 14 by Christian1962

[Carol I]

Thank you very much for the detailed reply (here, as well as in the other thread).

[tifes]

Hi, FJO is in gilded bronze. Yes, you can definitely find better pieces on the market but on the other side I do not see there any massive/significant damage to enamels (if not tricked by the reflection). It's about the preference and price, willing to pay. Red Cross Officer with War Decoration looks to be in very good condition indeed. Moreover, it's cased. If the price is not over the roof, I would take it. 

 

Regards,

 

Tifes/Tomas