Order of the Crown with Swords

[LuckySlevin]

Hi Gentlemen, 

Have you ever seen this kind of swords on the Order of the Crown? 

I know that during the WWI it was probably common to reuse peace-time decoration and to adapt them for war merit but I have never seen this "unprofessional" swords attachment. 

Thank you in advance for your opinions. 

 

Best, 

Lucky

[Graf]

Yes very unusual attachment. Such work was explained that it was needed urgently and the result was like that

I have seen such work not only on Rumanian Orders

[steveBobby]

It seems that there are orders with similar shapes appearing in magazines

 

[Graf]

Hi Steve,

 

I think the question is for the badly attached swords on the second order from the left, if I am not wrong

 

Cheers

[steveBobby]

Hi Graf！

Yes, I checked the image again. Perhaps this could be some kind of manufacturer error, or a trace of someone artificially damaging it later. 

Sincerely

Steve

[Graf]

1 hour ago, steveBobby said:

Hi Graf！

Yes, I checked the image again. Perhaps this could be some kind of manufacturer error, or a trace of someone artificially damaging it later. 

Sincerely

Steve

More likely the first one, however it could be later addition

[LuckySlevin]

Hi,

Thank you both for your comments. 

I would like to hope that the way the swords are added is due to the necessity to convert a peacetime to a military time.

Adding few more photos:

 

Also below is the full bar, to which I don't have questions:

 

@Graf, if by any case you have any examples of orders with similar (not the most professional) swords addition that would be very helpful. 

 

Thank you, 

Lucky

[Graf]

Welcome I have to go through my files and if I find anything I will list it  Cheers

[Carol I]

Older regulations mentioned that wartime decorations should be in front of peacetime ones, hence the Order of the Crown with swords should have been in front of the military Order of the Star. Also, many WWI awards with swords were on the Military Virtue ribbon. However there are bars where these rules was not respected, including some at the National Military Museum.

[Graf]

Hi Carol I Thank you for the information

[steveBobby]

I'm not quite sure how these things happened in the photo. But This appears to be due to damage which resulted in the loss of one side of the sword decoration. On the other side, there is a crooked sword decoration.

[922F]

Looks like his Stanislaus lost an [upper left as viewed] eagle too!  Appears his awards are attached to uniform using the so-called loop over cord method.

 

Does anyone know this officer's history?

 

 

[Graf]

1 hour ago, steveBobby said:

I'm not quite sure how these things happened in the photo. But This appears to be due to damage which resulted in the loss of one side of the sword decoration. On the other side, there is a crooked sword decoration.

nice pictures Yes those damages happen when the decorations are dropped

[Carol I]

On 22/07/2023 at 05:03, 922F said:

Does anyone know this officer's history?

 

 

His last name is Popa, which is a rather common name and hence difficult to stand out, unless the British, Serbian/Yugoslavian and Russian awards will help.

[Alex K]

Just seen thi thread and getting back to original post if i may, i have this example wherectge swords appear to be on tge reverse side of the medal, not tge obverse as indicated on other examples posted, also they appear to he well fitted as if they were integral, any comments welcome

 

Edited August 13, 2023 by Alex K
Photo change

[Carol I]

29 minutes ago, Alex K said:

Just seen thi thread and getting back to original post if i may, i have this example wherectge swords appear to be on tge reverse side of the medal, not tge obverse as indicated on other examples posted, also they appear to he well fitted as if they were integral, any comments welcome

 

 

In this old thread there is a photo of a medal bar with a similar knight's cross, albeit on Military Virtue ribbon:

[steveBobby]

I think this is due to the manufacturers, different manufacturers have their own ideas about where to place the sword. Such as Made by french manufacturer “Lemaitre” ，The swords are placed in the back position.

Sincerely

Steve

 

 

in the back position 

 

Edited August 14, 2023 by steveBobby

[graham]

Some interesting info here: -

 

http://www.omsa.org/files/jomsa_arch/Splits/2008/43278_JOMSA_Vol59_1_04.pdf

[Alex K]

Thankyou for the additional info gentlemen, at least i know mine isnt unique! 

Regards

[Graf]

6 hours ago, steveBobby said:

I think this is due to the manufacturers, different manufacturers have their own ideas about where to place the sword. Such as Made by french manufacturer “Lemaitre” ，The swords are placed in the back position.

Sincerely

Steve

 

 

in the back position 

 

Nice Photo Steve

[Igor Ostapenko]

6 hours ago, graham said:

Some interesting info here: -

 

http://www.omsa.org/files/jomsa_arch/Splits/2008/43278_JOMSA_Vol59_1_04.pdf

 Thank you for link ! 🍷 

 

 

 

[Graf]

12 hours ago, Igor Ostapenko said:

 Thank you for link ! 🍷 

 

 

 

 Very nice picture

[Igor Ostapenko]

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