Mondvor Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 (edited) As I promised - here is some fake stuff. Edited May 25, 2006 by MONDVOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mondvor Posted May 25, 2006 Author Share Posted May 25, 2006 Another "Zotov". Maybe those guys love this last name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mondvor Posted May 25, 2006 Author Share Posted May 25, 2006 And this is how REAL seal of Supreme Soviet in 1941-46 looked like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted May 25, 2006 Author Share Posted May 25, 2006 But the event of Supreme Soviet seal on 1945-47 orderbook was wery unusual. Only some HSU and high-ranking generals got their orderbooks in Kremlin. 99% of other officers received permanent orderbooks in exchange for their temporary certificates in their units. And most of them didn't have any pictures at all (only a stamp "valid without a picture"). For those who did have a picture, it was normally covered with a seal of the unit (Army, Military District, etc). But NOT a Supreme Soviet seal.Here are some examples of real seals on 1945-47 orderbooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alfred Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Hello,here is another "faked" chemically bleached order book. The new ink entries are a littlebit frayed and melt, due to the use of chemicals.regardsAndreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slava1stclass Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 (edited) MONDVOR, Thank you. It appears they used original archive photos in concocting these. The one of Full Cavalier Chertkov is a particularly nice example. As I've mentioned in another thread, these archival photos of Full Cavaliers were to be had in pretty big numbers (from select dealers) in the mid to late 90s. While most of these Full Cavalier archival photos were taken in the mid-70s (when the Full Cavalier booklets were first issued) some were war or immediate post-war period shots - especially for those Full Cavaliers who were deceased by then. Regards,slava1stclass Edited May 25, 2006 by slava1stclass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted May 25, 2006 Author Share Posted May 25, 2006 MONDVOR, Thank you. It appears they used original archive photos in concocting these. The one of Full Cavalier Chertov is a particularly nice example. As I've mentioned in another thread, these archival photos of Full Cavaliers were to be had in pretty big numbers (from select dealers) in the mid to late 90s. While most of these Full Cavalier archival photos were taken in the mid-70s (when the Full Cavalier booklets were first issued) some were war or immediate post-war period shots - especially for those Full Cavaliers who were deceased by then. Regards,slava1stclassIn case with Chertkov they also did a mistake in the list of awards in the orderbook. We can see that besides his three Glories he had Otvaga medal clearly visible on the photo. But there is no Otvaga in the list of his awards on the other page. Instead they put Military Merit and Red Star, which are absent on the photo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted May 25, 2006 Author Share Posted May 25, 2006 (edited) In case of Vaitsman's orderbook displayed by Alfred, "black dealers" also screwed up. In according with the data at the bottom, the book was filled in 1946. How unnumbered Otvaga could be in a list? Before making fake orderbooks they should pay more attention to the history of awards... Morons... Edited May 25, 2006 by MONDVOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Thanks, Andrew. A very useful reference when an orders book seems suspicous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alanirvine Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Andrew, thanks for the contribution.I will have to go through mine now.Hopefully, I won't have anything to add to this thread.What you found of mine is enough for one day.Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Alan,i am very sorry to see, such a nice group turned out to be put together. I know, i would be very depressed.I sincerely hope, the rest turns out to be legit Gerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alanirvine Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Thanks Gerd.Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 This is all very useful -- though very disturbing. Much to ponder . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 This is important enough to pin as a permanent reference thread so it doesn't get lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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