Bryan Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 What should we look for at the first glance? The stamp, the entries ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 One thing that is often wrong in the no-individual-dates WW2 type Orders Books is that the "first" award's serial number does not match the DATE that privileges started/the book was issued. (One reason for our researched serial numbers list) A, say, July 1943 numbered award should not have privileges that "started" in ... October 1944 any more than a 1947 number could have. The thieves will start paying attention to such details NOW, but the frauds of the last 10 years are already ruined, and paying attention to such things catchs them out all the time. Also, check out the Orders Book typology thread on more recent real books, since we do occasionally see 1970s civil awards being passed off as 1950s and so on. An "I" edition Orders Book with a "G" edition period award is another obvious fraud once you have remembered what to look for over time as the Books kept changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
order_of_victory Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 Does any one have any examples of late fake order books? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted June 7, 2006 Author Share Posted June 7, 2006 What do you mean by "late fake order books"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
order_of_victory Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 Mondvor,I mean late as in after the GPW to end of the Soviet Unioni.e a fake order book for the Order of Labour Glory 1st ClassOrder of Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted June 7, 2006 Author Share Posted June 7, 2006 Mondvor,I mean late as in after the GPW to end of the Soviet Unioni.e a fake order book for the Order of Labour Glory 1st ClassOrder of VictoryOK, now I see. Sure I do have some images of those. If you interested I can post them later today. I do not have an access to my files at the moment.We have to keep in mind that fake orderbooks for awards such as Order of Personal Courage, Order of Honour, Order of Friendship of People, 3rd and 2nd classes of "Crabs" are extremely difficult to recognize. At the end of 90th and early 2000 blank orderbooks of late type (with Gorbachevs and Menteshashvili signatures) were for sale in many places. I've seen them a lot in Kiev phaleristic club. So all you have to do - is to buy a blank unissued orderbook and accurately fill it with nice handwriting using black ink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
order_of_victory Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 Thanks MONDVOR, for the infoI would like to see pics if posible of fake order books, it just helps build a fuller picture of what to look out for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted June 7, 2006 Author Share Posted June 7, 2006 Sorry, I didn't get your question about cavalier books. What type of cavalier books do you mean - for full cavalier of Glory, Labor Glory or Crab? First two are OK, it's more or less easy to determine a fake orderbook. But for Crab... There were more Order of Victory awarded than 1st class of Crab. Do you really think you have a chance to buy one? All 1st class orders from private collections that I saw were fakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
order_of_victory Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 No, its just that you only mentioned the 2nd and 3rd class crabs were difficult to recognise, I was just wondering if the same applied to the Cavalier.No I dont think I will have the chance of buying a 1st or 2nd Class Crab, just curious Order of Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted June 7, 2006 Author Share Posted June 7, 2006 (edited) Here we go... Edited June 7, 2006 by MONDVOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mondvor Posted June 7, 2006 Author Share Posted June 7, 2006 (edited) 4.00 Edited June 7, 2006 by MONDVOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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order_of_victory Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Thanks MONDVOR,They are realy good, you could realy mistake them for real ones.Order of Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosinus Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 A few weeks ago I was offered to buy empty soviet order books... We can expect new waves of fake-books to come soon... by the way new "Crab's" generation over 130*** is on the market now!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
order_of_victory Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 This is quiet scary http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SOVIET-ORDER-USSR-HE...1QQcmdZViewItemOrder Of Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted June 19, 2006 Author Share Posted June 19, 2006 This is quiet scary http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SOVIET-ORDER-USSR-HE...1QQcmdZViewItemOrder Of VictoryThat's exactly what I said before about washed-out books. And this set also comes from Ukraine. Just remember the "name" of the person who will buy it. He might be a fake-maker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
order_of_victory Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 This quiet scary Part 2http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SOVIET-ORDER-USSR-HE...1QQcmdZViewItem Another Hero Set Order of Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanirvine Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Just listed on E_ _ _, a genuine BLANK order book for HSU. Seller quotes "if you have a HSU and no documents, just fill in the blanks"Ouch!Alanirvine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
order_of_victory Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 The seller is selling one set of these a week Order of Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanirvine Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 What next?Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
order_of_victory Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Order of Victory award book???? Order of Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seb16trs Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 That's exactly what I said before about washed-out books. And this set also comes from Ukraine. Just remember the "name" of the person who will buy it. He might be a fake-maker.hello gentlemen, the orders booklets have clearly been bleached...I'm not sure but could the hero booklets have been entirely made up? The leather cover is unprecise, the paper looks news...of course all stamps are ugly. I've seen a better made diploma coming from Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondvor Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 Of course some fake HSU diplomas were entirely made up.Here is an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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