Hoss Posted December 19, 2014 Posted December 19, 2014 Thanks Gents Prussian thats a cool photo, what the heck is that badge! I want one!!! Eric
The Prussian Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 (edited) Me too, Eric!!! I´ve checked everything, but I couldn´t find out, what that "Sch" stands for. Maybe just "Schütze... The 4.bavarian Reichswehr Inf.Rgt.46 came from the following Freikorps: I.Bataillon Bamberg: Freikorps Bamberg (Regiment Leupold) and I.-III.Btl./Inf.Rgt.5 Bamberg II.Bataillon Bamberg: Eiserne Schar Berthold (fränkisches Bauerndetachement) III.Bataillon Bayreuth: Freikorps Bayreuth (bav. Inf.Rgt.7) I don´t believe the "Sch" stands for "Schar" from the "Eiserne Schar" (Iron crowd) I don´t know if crowd is the right word for "Schar"... Edited December 20, 2014 by The Prussian
bolewts58 Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 Me too, Eric!!! I´ve checked everything, but I couldn´t find out, what that "Sch" stands for. Maybe just "Schütze... The 4.bavarian Reichswehr Inf.Rgt.46 came from the following Freikorps: I.Bataillon Bamberg: Freikorps Bamberg (Regiment Leupold) and I.-III.Btl./Inf.Rgt.5 Bamberg II.Bataillon Bamberg: Eiserne Schar Berthold (fränkisches Bauerndetachement) III.Bataillon Bayreuth: Freikorps Bayreuth (bav. Inf.Rgt.7) I don´t believe the "Sch" stands for "Schar" from the "Eiserne Schar" (Iron crowd) I don´t know if crowd is the right word for "Schar"... I think that 'Schar' can be roughly translated as 'squad' or 'platoon'. I've seen the badge before. I'm pretty sure it's Freikorps. But, it's not documented.
The Prussian Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 Yes, Freikorps is right. But the uniform is a regular one from the "Friedensarmee" (worn only in 1919). The badge must be a badge from the Freikorps-era
Hoss Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 Yes, Freikorps is right. But the uniform is a regular one from the "Friedensarmee" (worn only in 1919). The badge must be a badge from the Freikorps-era Interesting info on the tunic. I just noticed the mg is pointing to the right not left on the badge, there is a US military intelligence report prepared for the war department on German abbreviations from W1 through '43 a 'Sch' could just be for scharfschütze, just a thought its something more simple. Eric
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 Lets not forget, the term "Schütze" was the equivelent rank of "Private" for MG troops. It could simply be a qualification badge.... like Richtschütze.... Not everyone in an MG Unit was a qualified MG Schütze... some just carried ammo cans... so "Schütze" could very well be his qualification. A more current example of doing this are some of the French qualification badges where the actual qualification can be read on the badge... i.e. "Pointeur" or "Instructeur" or "Chef de Piece" on the new 81mm Mortar badges...
The Prussian Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 Hello Eric and Chris! I don´t think the "Sch" means Schütze in case of the rank. Note the stripes above the badge. He is a Sergeant. Those rank insignias were worn between 19.1.19 and 15.5.19. Maybe it could stand for Scharfschütze (marksman)
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 Hi, I mean It could be "schütze" as a Qualification badge more than Rank. If a soldier is a (for instance) Gunner, he is a gunner as Private, and as Captain.... same way a qualified machine Gunner stays a qualified MG Schütze, even when promoted. We could spend time on weather he is a MG "Scharfschütze" or "Schütze" but remember, the soldiers of MGSSA in the war were also "Schütze Schmidt" as opposed to "Scharfschütze Schmidt".... P.S. you are also still a "Prussian" in spite of becoming a Moderater ;-)
The Prussian Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 Oh, yes, I just saw it right now. I´m Moderator... Thank you very much for that promotion!!!!! :jumping:
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 You have to thank Nick, I am just a worker bee...
aubagne98 Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 Hi, I do only have these from my wife´s grandfather. A photo and the EK2 diplome. Michael
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 Indeed, a dream Diploma!! I have always drooled over it :-)
Hoss Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 Oh, yes, I just saw it right now. I´m Moderator... Thank you very much for that promotion!!!!! :jumping: Jesus I don't usually get on well with mods I'm done for. Eric
Chip Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 I do only have these from my wife´s grandfather.A photo and the EK2 diplome.Hello,Could we see the entire diplome?Thanks,Chip
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Hi Chip, It is one of the MGSSA EK documents, there are a few to be seen elsewhere on the forum... cannot rememer where though...
aubagne98 Posted December 31, 2014 Posted December 31, 2014 HI, sotty for the delay. Here it is. Michael
Chip Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 Michael,Thanks for posting the full document. It's beautiful, to an officer and a relative. The trifecta!Best regards,Chip
Hoss Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 Fake that was on one of my original greatcoats. Eric
Hoss Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 another fake example showing the backing plate more clearly. Eric
Masch19 Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 I love my beautiful Badge from Juncker ' alt='' class='ipsImage' >' alt='' class='ipsImage' >' alt='' class='ipsImage' >' alt='' class='ipsImage' >' alt='' class='ipsImage' >' alt='' class='ipsImage' >
Hoss Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) Five months ago a friend scored these as a group, they have provenance to the mid '80's I'm told. Opinions?Eric Edited April 20, 2015 by Hoss
Hoss Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 That's from the mid '80's they have been in a collection, some guys can't understand what I say lol!Eric
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