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Wow, the last one impresses me most! :beer:

Wow Sergio, very well noticed. It was often me to notice stuff like this, but I apparently slipped this one. What a moron to destroy a real medal bar...

Thanks! He wasn't an officer for the 1st year of WW1, so I assume he received the Prussian Kriegerverdienstmedaille in this time. As an officer, he should have received the EK2. My personal assumption: he later bought a Zweitstück (wearers copy - seems to be one on the bar) of the Prussian Militär-Ehrenzeichen 2nd class to replace the tiny Kriegerverdienstmedaille.

It's the "Großkreuz", and I have no idea if it's good. I actually don't like what the sash lloks like. This tattering(?) I don't know from old silk ribbons.

Could you please show where the Prussian medal is mentioned in the papers? I'd love to read myself. He's wearing the Militär-Ehrenzeichen 2nd class, which was an EM and NCO award to Prussians/Germans in the wars of 1864, 1866 and the later colonial conflicts. I'm not aware it was awarded in WW1. The Prussian standard awards for KuK military are the EKs for officers and the Kriegerverdienstmedaille for EMs and NCOs. While the MEZ looks the same, its seize is about half(!) of it. Was he an officer all over WW1, or did he start as an NCO ???

A real MVK from SWA era (with about a hand full awarded) should be real gold. Save about 10,000 bucks if one comes to the market. This one is gilt brass and a so called collectors copy by Göde. I'm not sure about the clasps. The SWA medal seems to be fine.

No, not that I'd be aware of. Just another dealer.

It could be any scenario and I still believe a WW1 MVO 4th class could be possible if the guy got bumped up from EM/NCO to junior officer. The pre-1913 MVKs were the none or few enemaled ones, awarded e. g. for africa. For China, you're right with the blue ones - that's the pre-1905 one classed type. See one I used to have here. Württemberg medal should be a WW1 award as the early (pre-WW1) ones were worn on a dark blue ribbon... unless they switched it. But why switch a Württemberg ribbon and wear the Bavarian order on non-matching ribbon... Rick sais they were not awarded to senior NCOs... so there still is something fishy. Same with Austrian bravery medal... Ulan returned the bar, from what I understood. Probably the former seller then butchered it. or anyone else. Who knows. Maybe the bar is real, but had been butchered before and was re-filled wrongly? Did Rick come up with something more than it's a good one? A possible wearer - with other awards?

2oo9: http://gmic.co.uk/in...ar-ownerwearer/ Have to read it over again to see the points... other RIck might remember the discussion we had. ;)

You would not. No, you wouldn't... http://www.ebay.de/itm/280841677727

And never by a medal bar that has the MEZ1 hanging from a Hindenburg cross' ribbon! http://www.ebay.de/itm/170797636793

Never buy the story! http://www.ebay.de/itm/170797635979

Thank you! Hope you like mine better? Unfortunately, I couldn't find anything - when/how long and how many awarded, what they do sell for and so... it seems to be quite scarce?! I'm used to life saving medals being not common, but in Germans states, the bigger the state, the more common the medal. Russia is so much bigger... is'n the medal comon? :whistle:

I don't have to convince anyone, but liked the bar even back when you (and or other Rick?) claimed it not to be good... Sure it's a ribbon bar? It justed to come with awards on it...

They probably won't be able to tell you more than we, as these badges were generic.

Unless the Red Eagle Order has swords (compare GFM Hindenburg's medal bar), definitely yes.

I don't know the reason, but take a look at e.g. Werner Frhr. von Froben, who just got an Zähringer in WW1 - but had four pre-war orders on his medal bar. It should, yes, unless he left sevice for any reason before to be re-called in WW1... I could not find him immediately in 1914... =(

Looks good, but the enemal might be damaged. Medaillons are gold. Maker might be Weiss & Co.?

Next one? Unless there were others in the meantime... http://www.ebay.de/itm/280837526047

Wrong precendence, non-matching devices and a combinations that's hardly believable. Honestly, I'm not convinced this is a good one. However, it doesn't seem to be a classical "Ohio" fake neither.

The medal is something in-official, but I don't know what it referrs to. It's unlikely to be Saxon - the ribbon's colors are black, white, red... this is not Saxony but the Reich.

An active Prussian officer would receive his first and only long service award after 25, not 10 years of service. The three peace time orders are lowest ranks, given to Leutnants/Oberleutnants. I could not find him, but my guess is active Prussian army junior officer in pre-WW1 time; probably a civilian in WW2.

I know the bar/have seen better pictures of it, and it's a perfectly good and nice bar, by Godet in Berlin.

It's about 99,5%, I'd say. I think I never read this before anywhere else, but had the same thought recently. You're thinking at a certain K., aren't you? By the way, I didn't foreget you. Will e-mail you today hopefully.

I don't know by whom this is done (automatically?) but this thread is tagged wrongly with "HOHENZOLLERN" - it should read "PRUSSIA" instead, as this is a royal Prussian award.