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The whole bar seems to be fine so the chance the clasps are good is good. The gilt "Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen in Bronze" is really odd, by the way any on a medal bar is odd as they are not often seen. I can recall one - on a navy bar, if that is of interrest. I'm not sure if it is worn with the reverse to the front here. The "VERDIENST UM DEN STAAT" is the actually averse for the silver medal and I would not be surprised if it is the averse for the bronce medal as well. One more point: the last medal is not from "Bulgarien" but from "Ungarn". Argh, now that looks like a part of my very favorite colonial medal bar... :rolleyes:

:( Thanks for showing. Though, he may be well older than 13, maybe about 16. That's what they did look like. Still very young. Komtur, did you notive his medal? That's an early one in real bronce. ;)

The bar has been mounted between 1938 and 1945 from the Nazi "Treudienst-Ehrenzeichen" and has the right precedence for that era. The Bavarian MVK is in the right place, but used to have swords a were foolishly removed to "increase" the value. Still, I'm not 100% sure about the Austrian cross. The ribbon looks a bit lighter as they usually have. Isn't that rather a ribbon for e.g. Prussian crown order medal? And were those Austian crosses allowed to be worn post 1936, when the German equivalents were banned... and yes I know, some wore them though - just the question if those were still allowed...

Way before the MAX show, for those that could not go there. He had some really nice bars - and still enough for the MAX, I guess. :beer:

Nice additions, Timo! #29 - is that the bar that was shown on WAF, where many members said it were a four place ribbon bar? I think it was, so: now what do the GMIC guys think?! I said it is a three place ribbon bar and still say the same...

A nice one and likely from FR 40. But as Rick said, those come up all over in Baden units - but not to often. :P

We did bid on #49 but didn't win it. I didn't like the Oldenburg Ehrenkreuz neither. C. Zeige has a lose one in auction, stating there were only 12 awarded. Twelve ever awarded, and two in one month at two auctions? No way! Still it was a great bar. Impossible the proper Oldenburg decoration might have been a (slightly misplaced) Friedrich August-Kreuz? By the way, the golden honour cross X is a NCO award, isn't it?!

Holy ****, now that is a find. Great one, congratulations. The ribbon bar to the Reichsau?enminister.... great. :cheers:

That's a chutzpah, isn't it?

He meant www.milshop.de - a dealer who's stuff is not all as old as it should be. But, he also gives C.O.A.s, if I remember correctly. Why don't you answer to the other things? How can you explain the jeweller took the same maker mark as fakers do - on your real badge? I read all comments on your badge, and it was - well, quite funny, to be honest. :cheers:

Great thread, thank you Gentlemen! Are you sure that one was given to him by Reshad? Not only the German maker, but the writing is a German dedication, too! "Sr. Exc." is "Seiner Excellenz", which means "To His Excellence". I'd assume it was rather given to him by a German. Impossible? By the way, are we talking about that legendary supersized OWM?

All German recipients? I think that would be great... Here another bar, shown by anyone on any German forum. Nice, isn't it?

Yeah, that would indeed be the best. What I yet HAD, and so much gone. Sold ribbon bars for 10,- and 20,- that now have been identified... =( But you still have at least a xerox, don't you? What I wonder about my bar posted above - I know it's a bit "salty", but hey, it was about 160,- Euro, in 2006 bought at a show! The merit medal is a pre war issue, even a pre 1908 version. All other awards are WWI or even post. Any idea what the merit medal might have been given for? I guess that is one of the presumably only few that was given for REAL merit and not for beeing in state service for some decades - as for that, he "looks" way to young.

I think I've never seen that. Are you sure those were of official issue? Mhh, that stuff gets usually dug out by some collectors from Berlin to be published e.g. in BDOS' magazine, but I never know where to look at (hundereds of magazines) and don't have them handy. At least with some things we don't _need_ groups to tell when the were issued - as the archives still exist and have that information! I'm not 100% sure about the PRM3 time line, but... well, actually I'm almost. Nimmergut's OEK gives: bronce 1898 to 1916, iron from 1916-1917 and zinc for the 1917 to 1921 issues. So I wasn't right - but not to wrong neither. Oh really? So now it's time! Privately gilt but iron nevertheless... :beer:

Aaaah, now this thread might as well be called "The Cry of Sascha"! I saw the Wambold trio on eBay.de, many moons ago but at that time, I wouldn't have spent thaaat much money on ribbon bars. We shouldn't talk about what they sold for - now I'd take them... Though very nice they're still a set - as they've been offered in three auctions which usually split up. What is that last ribbon for? Sweden?!

Aaaah, now that's the Badener with Truppenkreuz you talked about. I was looking for a Baden award on the first bar and though one of us went crazy. When was Otterstedt comissioned? The Baden award here's a silver merit medal, given to EMs and NCOs only. He didn't start the war as a Leutant, did he? If so it cannot be his, I'd say.

Still "good" enough to sell for 699,- Euro...

Paul, thanks for this well done and useful thread! Actually not. Any officer who made it to officer in Baden service would have received it - even if he was anywhere else in 1902. Plus, keep in mind the medal was not an military award but also awarded to many civilians. Still, here's an officer of course. Are you sure PRM3 in zinc are war time issues? I thought war time awards came in iron while the zinc medals were post war...

Great work, Rick. Would you like to try that one? Possible to identify him? I guess it is not. The bar was offered on eBay by a seller called "am-militaria". You know what I mean... ? :banger: :banger:

The same to Rick, regarding my photo... It looks rather like Oldenburg's medal for 1848/49. But again, the ribbon does not seem to match. Possible?

I absolutely do NOT like that bar. The Austrian Truppenkreuz suggests an Austrian wearer while all other stuff is German - and with the EK II, he should have been an Austrian OFFICER. Rick, what did I miss about it?

Same question, different picture. Bought this some weeks ago but have no idea what this 1866/1870 vet is wearing in first place... :unsure:

Sure about that? Never seen before - usually the silver wreath indicates the silver Karl Friedrich medal. You're knight's bar is absolutely :love: :love:

Ooooh, Mr. Rick's getting old... but still is good... I've been working with the DOA for some times yet and... well, listing two of three awards does not mean anything. I found one that listet just one of his three awards. :banger:

Thanks Rick for the explanation. I knew what to look for, but would have never been able to explain it here. The identification as fast as we're used to. Great job! Still one thing to mention: why is the Albrecht in the 2nd, post-1876 version?!